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Tyne & Wear Metro Fleet Replacement: Awarded to Stadler

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Once again, i couldn't help myself
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Thanks for sharing, here is a quick mockup I've done personally. The train would be symmetrical this is two (three cab end) designs. I would like to see the middle car wrapped like this though, maybe slightly altered, but I would like to see a nod to the original cadmium yellow in the design even if it is just on one car. The white/black 'M' is just for contrast to see which looks better against the side, as Metro logo is black I believe it should stay black on the side of trains.
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a) It's not so much about being special it's more showing we have new trains, it's a new era for Metro. Metro's colour scheme has always been black and yellow as is visible on signage, station refurbishments have gone black/white with splashes of yellow.
b) It's boring but it's easy to maintain, it looks very sharp and professional and maintains the corporate identity.
c) White shows dirt worse, but black also isn't the greatest. The grey we currently use hides dirt quite well as does the yellow front end/doors hence why I have tried to retain both in my design above. Most trains go through the washer every couple days anyway so dirt build up isn't usually too bad.

Finally got around to making diagrams of livery options B and C
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Does anyone know if there is a way to search within a thread? Was going to search for “AWS” to see if anything has been mentioned regarding whether the new fleet needs to be AWS-compliant for the Sunderland extension.
 
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Also, does anyone know if there is a way to search within a thread? Was going to search for “AWS” to see if anything has been mentioned regarding whether the new fleet needs to be AWS-compliant for the Sunderland extension.
Yes, you can search everywhere, this forum, or this thread. This is from an iPad:
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Also, does anyone know if there is a way to search within a thread? Was going to search for “AWS” to see if anything has been mentioned regarding whether the new fleet needs to be AWS-compliant for the Sunderland extension.

They’d have to be, wouldn’t they? There’s no plans to resignal the Sunderland route, as far as I’m aware. Plus the South Hylton route which is proposed for double tracking by means of the adjacent freight line, in a manner akin to the Sheffield tram-train.
 

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They’d have to be, wouldn’t they? There’s no plans to resignal the Sunderland route, as far as I’m aware. Plus the South Hylton route which is proposed for double tracking by means of the adjacent freight line, in a manner akin to the Sheffield tram-train.
The Sunderland route is fitted with both TPWS/AWS and the Metro's own Indusi based train stop system at every signal with fully braked overlaps. Hence the current metrocars have never needed equipping with the mainline safety systems. Although I suspect the new trains will not have TPWS/AWS enabled from new either, assuming they will be native ETCS on board like all modern European-derived units, they should be able to emulate those legacy systems easily if required alongside the Indusi train stop functionality using STM methods, and be ready for future ETCS resignalling.
 

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They’d have to be, wouldn’t they? There’s no plans to resignal the Sunderland route, as far as I’m aware. Plus the South Hylton route which is proposed for double tracking by means of the adjacent freight line, in a manner akin to the Sheffield tram-train.
The planned double tracking is on the South Shields route, sections of the Pelaw to Jarrow strench. (Possible typo perhaps?)

When I searched this thread for posts about AWS/TPWS I saw that a number of earlier questions had been raised by @Scott M, but not necessarily answered at the time.
 

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Nexus have confirmed this morning that a modified version of livery option C has been chosen for the new fleet.
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There is now an online consultation running for interior options, as well as an interactive walkthrough of the interior, both on metrofutures.org.uk
 

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Cadmium Yellow has always been a part of the Metro's brand identity, and indeed its use on Newcastle transport dates back the best part of 100 years - long before "non London metro services". I'm not sure anyone seriously expected anything but; what a ridiculous comment.
 

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No real surprises the livery colours are yellow and grey as others said, yellow has always been the colour for the metro and grey is Nexus colour pretty much so the two come together. The comments from Huw Lewis it's in recognition of the PTE livery is quite bizzare imo.

It's interesting to note on the interior designs, a proposal is made that the poles could be a colourless metal which surely goes against DDA regulations?

And these trains being in service by 2023 seems very ambitious seeing as one has not even started being built and I have not seen any dates when the first one will be built.
 

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Yellow was the colour of Newcastle 's municipal bus service.
Nobody would be making the Merseyrail connection if they didn't have very similar liveries on very similar trains. It's not the fact it's yellow, it's the fact that it was originally an almost carbon copy of the Merseyrail livery. Even now, if I'd never seen either livery and you quickly flashed pictures of them up, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference without closer inspection.
 

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It's interesting to note on the interior designs, a proposal is made that the poles could be a colourless metal which surely goes against DDA regulations?

As long as it contrasts with the background, it's compliant.

The '96 Tube Stock refurbishment on London Underground's Jubilee Line replaced the pale-yellow grab bars with light grey — somewhat counterintuitively, the grey somehow appears to 'stand out' more.
 

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Nexus have confirmed this morning that a modified version of livery option C has been chosen for the new fleet.
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There is now an online consultation running for interior options, as well as an interactive walkthrough of the interior, both on metrofutures.org.uk

I like it, it's much much better than most of the modern white/grey/off-white/black/bland schemes.

Cadmium Yellow has always been a part of the Metro's brand identity, and indeed its use on Newcastle transport dates back the best part of 100 years - long before "non London metro services". I'm not sure anyone seriously expected anything but; what a ridiculous comment.

Sonewhat traditional perhaps, but I think it works well
 

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I saw a tweeted reply about the new trains saying that longer trains are not possible because the platforms are not long enough.

However I recall from when the system opened that the city centre tube train platforms were built long enough for triple-unit trains, however for the time being the platforms ends would remain unfinished. Having visited Tyneside barely a week ago I noted that this is still the situation today.
 
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I see they're carefully avoiding any questions about the seating :lol:

They do look nice, mind.

The public decided they wanted more standing areas during peak times so that style of seating layout was chosen. Totally the wrong choice imo but you get what your asked for basically.

Might change back during the mid life refurbishment. :rolleyes:
 

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The public decided they wanted more standing areas during peak times so that style of seating layout was chosen. Totally the wrong choice imo but you get what your asked for basically.

Might change back during the mid life refurbishment. :rolleyes:

The majority in the consultation would inevitably be dominated by the large numbers using the central core between South Gosforth and Heworth and out towards Wallsend. For them the journey time is short and standing. Is a fact of Metro travel.

Standing is also a fact for that one day event that isn't being held this year. South Shields is overwhelmed, yet buses can shift more than the Metro.

A higher fare paying minority travel longer distances into Newcastle from the Airport, Whtley Bay, Tynemouth and Sunderland. I feel sure the majority of them didn't vote for longitudinal seating.

Hoardes of children and grandparents love siting in the current front seats or in family groups just to enjoy a ride. They're part of the future of public transport. It's too late to change the layout now, or so it seems.

I'll be interested to see how loadings will fare wifh the new units and any perceptible effect on revenue from longer distance users.

I've noted in other market surveys that the participants are often fickle. They don't do what they said they'd do when the product becomes available.

Anyway, yellows is the colour for. me.
 
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The majority in the consultation would inevitably be dominated by the large numbers using the central core between South Gosforth and Heworth and out towards Wallsend. For them the journey time is short and standing. Is a fact of Metro travel.

Standing is alsoa fact for that one day event that isn't being held this year. South Shields is overwhelmed, yet buses can shift more than the Metro.

A higher fare paying minority travel longer distances into Newcastle from the Airport, Whtley Bay, Tynemouth and Sunderland. I feel sure the majority of them didn't vote for longitudinal seating.

Hoardes of children and grandparents love siting in the current front seats or in family groups just to enjoy a ride. They're part of the future of public transport. It's too late to change the layout now, or so it seems.

I'll be interested to see how loadings will fare uk 7 in in the new units and any perceptible effect on revenue from longer distance users.

I've noted in other market surveys that the participants are often fickle. They don't do what they said they'd do when the product becomes available.

Anyway, yellows is the colour for. me.
Surely those travelling a long way will be first on and get the seats in the morning?
Off peak longitudinal is better for groups - you can get a load of people facing each other.
 

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Surely those travelling a long way will be first on and get the seats in the morning?
Off peak longitudinal is better for groups - you can get a load of people facing each other.

Time will tell how it's accepted. The council in Sunderland were strongly against the new arrangement. I lived only 4 stops from Newcastle City centre and often used to stand even when there were seats. I'd always choose a seat facing forwards over sideways if going to the coast, airport or south of the river.

I shall be pleased to see yellow trains, but the exterior colour makes no difference to frequency, speed, price, reliability or comfort of the journey. Those are the factors which impact on the decision to use an alternative bus, taxi or car.
 

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However I recall from when the system opened that the city centre tube train platforms were built long enough for triple-unit trains

They sensibly built in the opportunity to lengthen the tunnel platforms, but most platforms on the system are only long enough to accommodate the two Metrocars that run now.
 

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They sensibly built in the opportunity to lengthen the tunnel platforms, but most platforms on the system are only long enough to accommodate the two Metrocars that run now.

Worth noting however that with a handful of exceptions all platforms can relatively easily be extended to accommodate 3 car trains as they have all been built with extension in mind.
 

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It would appear leaf fall season is in full swing. My last two commutes to work have involved that unmistakable feeling of weightlessness/gliding followed by usage of the magnetic brake on approach to Tyne Dock.

I assume the new stock will also have the magnetic brakes? It could be a struggle in Autumn if not.
 

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