Pete_uk
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The inter carriage gangway looks wide
heaven knows what they be like at night.
My word that’s ugly. Orange isn’t a great choice and they picked a horrible shade of orange!
I don't understand why they've got for a different shade compared to the current units! The more golden colour is far nicer IMO
Is that just paint vs. vinyl? I find vinyl looks nicer myself - it's a more matt, less reflective look.
The "transition diamonds" seem to be in the old colour, which is a bit silly
The other upside of the gold is like the diamonds it's a nod to Birmingham's jewellery past (and present).
Couldn't they have offset the international numbers so the identical unit designations ended up directly over each other?
Given that they can't even be bothered to format the international numbers correctly on any UK CAF stock, goodness knows.
It's supposed to be formatted something like:
95-70-0196101-5
First number is traction type (95 is DMU), second one is country code (70 is UK), then 7 digit unit number (underlining the local identifier), the last one is a check digit (I made that up so it probably isn't correct, well it has 1 in 10 chance of being).
Though I don't quite get why the new CAF kit has that numbering, most other new stock doesn't. Indeed I can't actually see it anywhere on the 196s pictured?
It’s nowhere near being compliant. Apart from what you’ve said, it should also have the Vehicle Keeper Marking of GB-WMR (or whatever).Thanks. That really does look absolutely awful.
Mind you, that's the care CAF take. There is, or was, one of the TPE units knocking around with an upside down 6 deputising for a 9 (or vice versa), and it looked really obvious.
95-70-0122104-4 is how that should be formatted, and then you wouldn't need the other line!
Indeed, the spacing on that doesn't even look consistent - looks like someone has stuck it on without even measuring the correct kerning! Whack it on, it's tea break time!
It's not just you - I really don't have a problem with them. Being sister units to the 195 I imagine they'll be a very bumpy ride, but yes I think overall I will like them. As for the front I'd probably prefer yellow but I don't really care that much; there are more important things about a train than the colour of the front.It's amazing how critizium there is for this unit ' yet non of you have seen of head up close !
Guess they should of designed like 1st gen Dmu ' but then again theres always a few who would have said they look horrible too .
This just looks like 172 with a new front end '
and it doesn't need a yellow front ' because the front lights are so dam bright you proberbly could see 5 miles away if were possible .
I've never seen so much criticism on any other subject has Train ' and especially on this site you just a bunch of old finger pointers at ever single detail . Me ' I like em there modern nice seats quiet ' and distinctive ' I've cource I've seen up close and just a photo to pick at .
I will not post any more photos ' you'll have go moan at another thread.
It's amazing how critizium there is for this unit ' yet non of you have seen of head up close !
Guess they should of designed like 1st gen Dmu ' but then again theres always a few who would have said they look horrible too .
This just looks like 172 with a new front end '
and it doesn't need a yellow front ' because the front lights are so dam bright you proberbly could see 5 miles away if were possible .
I've never seen so much criticism on any other subject has Train ' and especially on this site you just a bunch of old finger pointers at ever single detail . Me ' I like em there modern nice seats quiet ' and distinctive ' I've cource I've seen up close and just a photo to pick at .
I will not post any more photos ' you'll have go moan at another thread.
I quite like them, they look very striking in the bright orange. I hope you will post more photos.It's amazing how critizium there is for this unit ' yet non of you have seen of head up close !
Guess they should of designed like 1st gen Dmu ' but then again theres always a few who would have said they look horrible too .
This just looks like 172 with a new front end '
and it doesn't need a yellow front ' because the front lights are so dam bright you proberbly could see 5 miles away if were possible .
I've never seen so much criticism on any other subject has Train ' and especially on this site you just a bunch of old finger pointers at ever single detail . Me ' I like em there modern nice seats quiet ' and distinctive ' I've cource I've seen up close and just a photo to pick at .
I will not post any more photos ' you'll have go moan at another thread.
It's amazing how critizium there is for this unit ' yet non of you have seen of head up close !
Guess they should of designed like 1st gen Dmu ' but then again theres always a few who would have said they look horrible too .
This just looks like 172 with a new front end '
and it doesn't need a yellow front ' because the front lights are so dam bright you proberbly could see 5 miles away if were possible .
I've never seen so much criticism on any other subject has Train ' and especially on this site you just a bunch of old finger pointers at ever single detail . Me ' I like em there modern nice seats quiet ' and distinctive ' I've cource I've seen up close and just a photo to pick at .
I will not post any more photos ' you'll have go moan at another thread.
That's a shame as I've genuinely appreciated seeing some detailed and up close shots of these new units. I think over all a better execution of the Civity design than the 195s
That's a shame as I've genuinely appreciated seeing some detailed and up close shots of these new units. I think over all a better execution of the Civity design than the 195s (even if they may suffer the same ride issues) but they look good, and as I said a few posts up, I think the striking livery works well.
In terms of looks (exlcuding livery of course!) how much different is there between a 196 and a 197 for TfW?
TfW 197s has bigger windows, bodyside passenger info display in the window plus some of thd 3 car units fitted with First Class
TfW 197s has bigger windows, bodyside passenger info display in the window plus some of thd 3 car units fitted with First Class
Personally I prefer the gold on the class 172s, but I haven't yet actually seen one so I may have to change my mind! However, the orange does look rather garish, perhaps it would look better if the rest of the unit was a different colour to purple?
For good measure (!) I don't think the black on the end doors looks right either, but I'm not sure what should replace it.
I'm looking forward to actually seeing one though!
I think the livery applied to the 196 is modern, bold and noticably different to current liveries allowing punters to recognise the new trains. What I am not sure of is whether the 730s are going to get the "diamond fade" which the 196s have. The orange ends abruptly into the purple just past the end of the saloon window which looks like poor design. If the "diamonds" are going to blend the orange into the purple like ton the 196s it would be better. Best wait and see I suppose.
What I am not sure of is whether the 730s are going to get the "diamond fade" which the 196s have. The orange ends abruptly into the purple just past the end of the saloon window which looks like poor design. If the "diamonds" are going to blend the orange into the purple like ton the 196s it would be better. Best wait and see I suppose.
Here’s one of the 730s...
The front end of this definitely looks like it will be better. It's amazing how different something that is built to the exact same standards can look, depending on the manufacturer.