Busaholic
Veteran Member
- Joined
- 7 Jun 2014
- Messages
- 14,029
One (back) in, one out, according to Nick Watt on 'Newsnight': Margaret Hodge is expected to announce tomorrow that she is leaving Labour.
Yes he needed to be suspended until at least the New Year. He has been let back in too soon.
All that this has done (suspension and partial readmission) is to make the Labour party look incompetent and incoherent. It was disgraceful and vindictive to have suspended Corbyn in the first place. RLB was also treated shabbily by Starmer. He is a ruthless man who deliberately sabotaged Labour's chances at the last GE by repositioning the Labour policy on Brexit and alienating voters in leave-inclined former Labour seats in the north of England and NE Wales.
Hopefully this give Starmer the excuse to reform and clear out the Labour NEC of all the Trots and tankies...
Indeed classic left wing line at present that all Labours issues were nothing to do with Corbyn, Labours Brexit position was the reason Labour lost the election and nothing to do with Corbyn apparently, even though I didn't have that much of a problem with Labours position on Brexit but I did have a problem with Corbyn running this country.Ok. Nothing to do with Corbyn then. Got you.
BtW: It was neither disgraceful nor vindictive to suspend Corbyn. He is a crank with crank views and a long standing history of voting against his party who tried, very clearly, to dismiss an investigation into antisemitism within the Labour party he led as some kind of factional ( another crank left beloved phrase) attack on him and his pals. As for Long-Bailey she was rightly sacked after she was asked by her boss to retract some silly comments that were borderline antisemitic and refused. She wont be missed.
BTW 2 - all either of them had to do was make some kind of plausible apology. That neither did is instructive.
Not when you have the likes of Laura Pidcock winning a seat on the NEC.
He may have had his party membership restored (a decision out of Starmer's hands) but he ain't getting the whip back so has to continue sitting as an independent (a decision that is within Starmer's control).
Why? Don't let them win.I've just resigned from the party.
Why? Don't let them win.
I for one am quite looking forward to going to my first CLP meeting since 2015 this month and rip into the Corbynites.
Although i’m by no means a fan of Corbyn this is a democracy and a political party has no right to suspend an elected official.
Doesn’t mean it’s right what their doing.They can't suspend him from being an MP, that's something that can only be achieved by the MP in question resigning or being subject to a recall petition. They can however say that they don't want him as a labour MP and that's well within their rights
Yes they do, as party rules ultimately decide on who they believe should represent that constituency. See Margaret Ferrier having the SNP whip removed for her idiotic actions travelling with Covid putting railway workers at risk.Although i’m by no means a fan of Corbyn this is a democracy and a political party has no right to suspend an elected official.
Doesn’t mean it’s right what their doing.
Corbyn has been a disaster for Labour and their doing their very best to rid of him.
No matter what the public voted for him to be part of that party and their vote is what matters above all.
The people voted for corbyn to be part of the Labour Party.The public didn't vote for him to be a member of Labour...
The voters of Islington North voted for Jeremy Corbyn to be their MP, at the time he was representing Labour and that is likely what most people voted for him on the basis of. He was subsequently removed from the party and had the whip withdrawn, meaning he was an independent MP but still representing the people of Islington North. He's now had his Labour party membership restored but not the whip, he's still an independent MP representing the people of Islington North (albeit likely to vote in line with the Labour party). This is a lot like towards the tail end of last year when many 'moderate' tory MPs (Grieve, Clarke, etc) had the whip withdrawn but weren't expelled from the party
At no point has what Labour done been to try and overturn the will of the people of Islington North. The person they voted for is still their representative, and will likely still vote in line with the rest of the party (well, maybe not, it is JC after all), he just no longer gets to call himself a Labour MP, only an MP with Labour membership
The people voted for corbyn to be part of the Labour Party.
The people voted for corbyn to be part of the Labour Party.
While their reasoning is questionable it just goes to show how completely terrible two party states are when there are multiple factions fighting inside a single “united” political party.
If he was part of the Labour Party when the voted for him they did.No they didn't
Although i’m by no means a fan of Corbyn this is a democracy and a political party has no right to suspend an elected official.
There are people outside of the Labour party, you knowThe people voted for corbyn to be part of the Labour Party.
While their reasoning is questionable it just goes to show how completely terrible two party states are when there are multiple factions fighting inside a single “united” political party.
If he was part of the Labour Party when the voted for him they did.
I’m calling into question the UK parliament’s rules on these things. not trying to describe how it works
The rules are perfectly clear.
Corbyn having the whip removed does not stop him from representing his constituents in Parliament. He is still the MP for Islington North, and will remain as such until he either resigns/retires or is not selected as the Labour candidate for Islington North in the next general election.
If Corbyn stood as an independent, do you think he'd beat an official Labour candidate?
I hope not, but he's inexplicably popular locally.
That's a very good question.
In all honesty, I think he could, but I'll keep my fingers crossed he decides to retire instead.
I’m calling into question the UK parliament’s rules on these things. not trying to describe how it works
All i’m saying is that an MPs expulsion should either be met with either a by-election or not happen at all