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Mollman

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I wonder if with completion of Platform zero that the original plan for pairs of 3 car 331s on the Aire/ Warfedale lines will be resurrected and the 4 cars swapped with Allertons 3 cars.
I suspect the North west will be reluctant to part with them.
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From comments elsewhere it appears that it was just delayed until all platform work on the Triangle has been done, rather than cancelled. It might tie in well with 323s arriving from WMT which should allow 6-car workings to remain where needed and the 4-car 331s to go onto routes where 3-car is too short but 6-car is a bit overkill.
 
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They've made a pretty big deal of the 331's being on the Airedale/Wharfdale lines, I doubt they'll replace them now. They'll presumably just link two three carriage 331 units together and use them like that, allowing the four carriage ones to be freed up and used elsewhere.

As far as I know they're waiting on these Leeds platform works to be finished before doing it, the rest of the stations won't be extended and will just use select door opening if the platforms are too short.
 
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Sunday update: the plastic barriers separating platforms 0 & 1 have been removed, so there is open access to any enterprising soul with a genuine need to be on a train towards Horsforth. This time next week the connections and/or knitting should be done (it could open as a non-electric platform, of course).
 

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Signage is being replaced overnight too - seen several now pointing to platform 0. The sign at the bottom of the main stairs down from the overbridge was being done as I left work last night.
 

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Postcard arrived this morning (dated 9 December - I mean, I can see the Network Rail office from my balcony :rolleyes:) with information on the final phase of work.

Round-the-clock working from 0001 Friday 25 December to 0730 Sunday 27 December to undertake track and signalling work, as well as bringing the overhead lines into use. It might be a bit noisy with the hand tools, RRVs and tamping eqipment (so no change from normal, really). The construction compound will remain in place while they reconfigure the car park, with long-stay parking returning in spring 2021.
 

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Perhaps to claw back some money from the reduction in passengers they should just scrap all the sub platform lettering and divide them up into mini platforms numbered 0 - 36 instead so the announcer can run a roulette game as a sideline :D
 

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Question for the track/signalling experts. Now that platform 0 is open, does the signalling allow a Harrogate bound train to depart from Platform 0 onto A road, travel on the UH (Up Harrogate?) and cross to the UH at Armley Jcn, while and inbound train from Skipton can cross from the US to the DH and access Platform 1 on B road? Apologies of I have got the track/roads wrong.
 

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I'm no expert (far from it!) but if I understand the Sectional Appendix correctly... yes, because the Harrogate train can cross from the Up Harrogate to the Down Harrogate at the same time as the inbound train can cross from the Up Shipley Main to the Down Harrogate, further south. But since the Harrogate train will have had to clear Armley Junction so that the inbound train can be signalled through... probably not.

This is why I don't drive.

P0 is a bit busier today, it's become a parking spot for a 4-carriage 333 and a 2-car 158+153, with space for another three on top. Interestingly, RTT is marking some arrivals and departures as '0', not '0B' and/or '0A'.
 

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Have any other platforms been extended to match the new length? Would expect Northern to start to want to do the 6 carriage West Yorkshire services in the next timetable change or so but not if it's just the one platform.
 

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Does anyone know how the work over the festive period went? Is it all pretty much finished now?
 

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There was an item on the local news at lunchtime saying that work is complete. Also said that P0 will only be used in times of disruption until next year, when it will be timetabled for use. Not sure if this is correct.
 

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Have any other platforms been extended to match the new length? Would expect Northern to start to want to do the 6 carriage West Yorkshire services in the next timetable change or so but not if it's just the one platform.
Most of the platforms are already long enough to take a 6 carriage train. But the timetable relies on existing platforms having two trains in, and you can't do that on some of the platforms if you have longer trains. So the new platform gives you the additional capacity.
 

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WORK on a new platform at a local railway station worth £161 million has been completed over the festive period.

The new Platform 0 at Leeds station will allow more trains, more seats and fewer delays for rail passengers using the station, including the many thousands of Bradford residents who usually travel to Leeds for work on a daily basis.

Work on the platform began in 2018, with final touches made by Network Rail over the Christmas weekend to overhead lines, track and signalling systems, and rigorous testing to ensure the platform is ready for use.

Platform 0 will be used at first during times of disruption to try and minimise delays, with timetabled services coming in 2022.
However, passengers may have to wait some months to notice its effect, with the current lockdown telling people to only travel when absolutely necessary and many people working from home rather than doing the daily commute.
Bradford Telegraph and Argus:

Matt Rice, route director for Network Rail’s North and East Route, said: “Over the last two years, we have invested heavily into Leeds railway station to create a transport hub which the city can be proud of and which offers a warm welcome to visitors.

“The completion of the platform is a huge part of this work and will make journeys more punctual and reliable for all those travelling to, from or through Leeds.


"The platform will help to make things easier during times of disruption, meaning fewer delays for passengers and getting them on the move again more quickly.”
Cllr Kim Groves, chair of the West Yorkshire Combined Authority Transport Committee, added: “Investment to improve capacity and punctuality at Leeds station is important not just to the city and West Yorkshire but also impacts on the reliability of services across the North of England and the national rail network.


"I look forward to passengers seeing the positive impact of Platform 0 on their journeys in the coming year.”
The station's long-stay car park has been closed for more than two years to allow construction to take place, and is set to reopen this Spring.

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co...provement-work-leeds-train-station-completed/
 

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A bit confused about how British people counting the cost, how could a platform cost 161 M pounds?

It was £161m for the whole project, which included the concourse changes, changes to the car parks and other infrastructure work. Admittedly, £161m is half the cst of the Leeds 1st scheme from 20 years ago which gave us four new platforms, escalators, lifts and other things, but there was a lot more done than just creating a new platform face.
 

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It was £161m for the whole project, which included the concourse changes, changes to the car parks and other infrastructure work. Admittedly, £161m is half the cst of the Leeds 1st scheme from 20 years ago which gave us four new platforms, escalators, lifts and other things, but there was a lot more done than just creating a new platform face.
Thanks!
 

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If I recall correctly Network Rail also have to pay TOCs compensation when they close a station, in this case to alter the track to add the new platform for a number of days, that very likely doesn't come cheap.
 

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A bit confused about how British people counting the cost, how could a platform cost 161 M pounds?
Everyone seems to forget that this costs includes expenses for 2 platforms as P1 was completely demolished and rebuilt. Also the cost of a temporary platform which probably cost a fair bit too as scaffolding can be expensive.
 

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Everyone seems to forget that this costs includes expenses for 2 platforms as P1 was completely demolished and rebuilt. Also the cost of a temporary platform which probably cost a fair bit too as scaffolding can be expensive.
P2/3 had some work done on the far end as well, plus the track modifications to put a P1/2 crossover in too.
 

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It was £161m for the whole project, which included the concourse changes, changes to the car parks and other infrastructure work. Admittedly, £161m is half the cst of the Leeds 1st scheme from 20 years ago which gave us four new platforms, escalators, lifts and other things, but there was a lot more done than just creating a new platform face.
The cost of most things has gone up considerably in 20 years. I know it's not a completely fair comparison, but in my field of work (a supermarket), the cost of most purchases more than doubled in 10 years.

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that would probably work out fairly similarly in this case (½ cost for ¼ of end finished product, but perhaps less extra bits)
 

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There was an item on the local news at lunchtime saying that work is complete. Also said that P0 will only be used in times of disruption until next year, when it will be timetabled for use. Not sure if this is correct.

There was certainly a train in it (170 as I recall, which would suggest a Harrogate line service) when I changed trains at Leeds on Wednesday morning, slightly after the time when the rush hour would normally happen.
 

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The cost of most things has gone up considerably in 20 years. I know it's not a completely fair comparison, but in my field of work (a supermarket), the cost of most purchases more than doubled in 10 years.

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that would probably work out fairly similarly in this case (½ cost for ¼ of end finished product, but perhaps less extra bits)

Well yes, but I knew someone would mention it eventually so I thought I'd get in there first ;)
We could add on the cost of the Southern Entrance as well, as that was descoped at the time to reduce costs.

There was certainly a train in it (170 as I recall, which would suggest a Harrogate line service) when I changed trains at Leeds on Wednesday morning, slightly after the time when the rush hour would normally happen.

It's definitely been used by a 158/153 combo, 170s, 331s and 333s the past week. No 800/801 yet...
 

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It's definitely been used by a 158/153 combo, 170s, 331s and 333s the past week. No 800/801 yet...

Do the 80x often use anything lower than Platform 6? Not sure which would be long enough for a 9-car - possiby all of them apart from 3 and 4.
 
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Do the 80x often use anything lower than Platform 6? Not sure which would be long enough for a 9-car - possiby all of them apart from 3 and 4.
Seen a mk4 set use platform 1 at least twice in the past few years, that’s plenty long enough. I’m not sure if the lower number platforms have seen an IET though
 

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Seen a mk4 set use platform 1 at least twice in the past few years, that’s plenty long enough. I’m not sure if the lower number platforms have seen an IET though

The evening Harrogate HST used to use platform 1 normally. Don't know what the IEPs use - I rather lost interest when the HSTs were withdrawn!
 

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Seen a mk4 set use platform 1 at least twice in the past few years, that’s plenty long enough. I’m not sure if the lower number platforms have seen an IET though
Before the Leeds rebuild in 2000, platform 1 was platform W which could take 14 carriages.
 

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