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I remember seeing a YT video of someone driving a 377 the wrong way down the track on East Coastway (signals did not stop them as the track wasn’t bi directional) and stopping in front of 377s behind them to couple the trains. This went on until they had a 16 car 377! Unfortunately they were not paying attention to the map after that and crashed into an 8 car unit.
I may try that! I did overshoot a station on there once, reversed back and into another train a bit too quickly :lol:
Very nice. Might I ask how you take a screenshot in TSW2 without the HUd being present and where these screenshots go?

Shift + F12 is the only way I got it to work - F12 doesn't seem to do much

They've then gone into C:\Users\<username>\Documents\My Games\TrainSimWorld2\Saved\Screenshots\WindowsNoEditor (assuming your documents are in C: )
NB: They can be pretty large files!
 
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In the case of Steam screenshots they go to:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata\***your Steam ID***\760\remote\1282590\screenshots

They take the resolution at which the game is being played.
 

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I may try that! I did overshoot a station on there once, reversed back and into another train a bit too quickly :lol:


Shift + F12 is the only way I got it to work - F12 doesn't seem to do much

They've then gone into C:\Users\<username>\Documents\My Games\TrainSimWorld2\Saved\Screenshots\WindowsNoEditor (assuming your documents are in C: )
NB: They can be pretty large files!

Thank you!
 

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Interesting to see the 375 and 465 will be added as well as HS1 with 395s. How much of the classic lines would there be, unless they plan to just let you run classic units on HS1?
 

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Interesting to see the 375 and 465 will be added as well as HS1 with 395s. How much of the classic lines would there be, unless they plan to just let you run classic units on HS1?

They are quite simple editions to the game as we already have an electrostar and networker, to which the body shells are quite similar. You would be able to use them on the rather limited classic line and as well wherever else you wanted using the scenario planner. (East Coastway for example) Additionally, they will help with realism in terms of AI traffic.
 

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For those that are interested they showed off the Marseille - Avignon LGV route a few days ago on one of their live streams:


Due to be released this coming Thursday.

Have to say I thought it looked pretty good! I'm not sure I'll pick it up at launch as just thundering up and down the same piece of track can get a little dull but definitely think I'll pick it up at some stage just might need to wait for them to put it into one of their sales.
 

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I think I'm going to get this one, it does look good, the TGV is classic traction and it's somewhere a bit different to travel in TSW2. I will probably hang back a couple of days to read some reviews however before purchasing.
 

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Steam traction has been announced as upcoming in today's Roadmap Update: https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...06.455677908.1610282752-1539867974.1586850226

I reckon it will be a GWR Pannier on the West Somerset Railway Route, what does everyone else think it will be?
I've not been paying attention to anything TS (apart from Armstrong Powerhouse's Class 411 pack which looks lovely) or TSW and so this is an interesting surprise.
Having a quick look at this link: https://live.dovetailgames.com/live/train-sim-world/articles/article/bringing-steam-to-tsw2, it seems to me as if the steam they'll be bringing to the game might be more, to use their term, 'work-a-day' steam as it would have appeared in the 1950s/1960s. That would suggest to me potentially something like a Black Five, or an 8F, but a Pannier is a very good suggestion - I think they might start small and then work up to having steam-era routes and all sorts. Personally, I'd love to see a 'King', 'Castle', or 'Hall' for the GWR route out of Paddington for railtours or something like that. But that's just me wanting quality engines I assume :)
I wonder if the diesel fume effect they use at the moment would work better for steam than it does diesel?

-Peter

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Steam is coming to Train Sim World 2 and is currently in development.
Steam power is a very different experience to the diesels and electrics already available in the game. Getting it right as a player experience means understanding where those differences are and how it should feel to manage power on a more mechanical basis. We caught up with Dovetail Games’ founder, CEO and Chief Creative Officer Paul Jackson to get his insight into what the challenges are, and what we want to accomplish in bringing steam to Train Sim World.

- What are we looking for with a steam experience?
PJ: "I feel that all trains are wonderful things. I see people complaining about the Pacers running in the north of England but I love them. They might have been cold and noisy things but I’ve loved the times I've ridden on one, then again I didn't have to live with them every day.
I've got a deep love of trains that has stuck with me ever since I became a train fan in my mid-teens. It was then that I started trainspotting with my friends and ever since then I have gone out of my way to see trains everywhere I've been. We've done railway quizzes at Dovetail and it freaks me out as much as it freaks everyone else out that I know most of the answers. I am absolutely that guy.
For me, the trains that you enjoy are the ones that you engage with in the real world, and that's critical. Whether it's the train you see in the morning, or a preserved steam engine, authenticity is everything."

- When you say authenticity, what do you mean?
"I've talked a lot in the past about what my perfect train experience would be. For me it would be standing on Crewe station in 1953/54 when most of the privations of the war were over. Services were reasonably back to normal but for all intents and purposes modern technology hadn't started to encroach on the steam trains that were running. Just being there and watching things happen naturally where an unexpected loco might come through the station is my idea of an perfect experience.
For me, that would be the epitome: to see the train in its natural environment; perhaps it's dirty, perhaps they had to put a different engine on at the last minute. It pulls into the station and maybe the fire's run down and the crew might be tired but they set off again, heading north.
When I think about steam trains there's preserved or heritage rail which are superb, but what I really want is steam in its natural environment."

- So, work-a-day steam?
"Yes. In many ways that would be the purest rail experience for me. A close second would be old electrics: I love the 76's over Woodhead, I love the Milwaukee electrics. Even old EMU's excite me. In mechanical terms, they're really quite agricultural, modern but still agricultural and that’s what really appeals to me.
Simulating steam engines is the opportunity to provide a wide variety of unique engines that players can try their hand on. The excitement and colour, the smoke and the steam, the romance and the passion. I find this prospect tremendously exciting.
If you've ever stood next to a steam engine there is an immediate understanding of its power. You can appreciate its scale, feel its heat and get the sense that it might explode at any moment - of course it won't, but you cannot help but be aware of the almost primal nature of the machine. Then the whistle blows and they're off, putting that power into motion.
The most challenging aspect of simulating a steam engine is the skill involved in their management. It takes the partnership between the driver and fireman on the footplate, finesse and experience to really master the craft. Whether uphill or downhill, accelerating or braking, knowing the train you're operating and the characteristics of your formation takes significant expertise. Safety systems are modest, the assistance provided to the crew is primitive and the controls are intimidating. The crew’s sheer professionalism and skill got those trains from one place to another.
I don't think there's anything else we can offer that can be as challenging and rewarding as that experience. Regardless of whether you're into steam trains or not, I believe it is the ultimate train management experience that we can give our players."

- It's a living thing. Modern diesels and electrics come with more self-management systems allowing you to tell them what you want them to do, but with steam you're in control of how you want them to do it.
"Exactly. A sensible analogy would be that driving modern traction is like driving a car, whereas steam would be like riding a horse. Essentially the horse can shy at the slightest thing, it has its own needs, it will try to eat and drink while you're trying to go forwards."

- It's a synergistic relationship.
Yes.

- You use the term agricultural regularly in describing control systems, what do you mean by that?
"It's visceral, physical, mechanical. Fundamentally, you have to release the brakes, set the reverser, operate the regulator – all mechanical processes involving heavy, forged metal. It's a physical process. There are few, if any, automated assistants to ensure that you’re doing it right."

- How do you represent a physical experience when you're doing that with a digital interface? How do you get that feeling across?
"That's the challenge.
We need communicate what is happening to the player. Explaining what you need to do to the player is reasonably straightforward, but they also need to know what and why something is happening. How do you know that what you've done is correct even if you don’t see an immediate result? Equally, how do you know that you’ve got something wrong when everything appears to be running smoothly? We’re focusing on early modelling so that we can test those systems and make sure you can feel what's happening without needing help that wouldn’t have been available to a real crew."

- The trick is in communicating what's happening when you can't physically feel the state the engine is in.
"That’s the holy grail. If you become a driver on modern traction, you've had a 6-month training course, maybe another 6 months driving with an inspector. With a steam engine you will have started as a cleaner on the footplate. You were promoted to become a fireman, you become intimately familiar with your engine over 7 or 8 years before getting your hands on the controls. We've got to pass all that experience, artistry and skill to our players - grant them 8 years’ experience in moments. The better we meet that challenge, the more rewarding it will be to play."

We'll have regular updates on how steam is progressing through the development process over the months to its release. In the next article we'll talk about how SimuGraph and Train Sim World's physics systems are being enhanced to give players the feel of managing a steam engine, and how the role of fireman is integrated into the experience.
 

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I reckon it will be a GWR Pannier on the West Somerset Railway Route, what does everyone else think it will be?

I think that's likely. Looking at the routes that they currently have out and on the roadmap I don't think there's anywhere else at the moment that it would fit 'natively' as all their other routes are too modern. It also surely makes sense to start with something simple for your first outing into steam using all the new shiny stuff that the engine they have now can do. Assuming that pans out I guess the plan would be to then do a route set in the steam period as the follow up. I did watch the roadmap live stream they did on YouTube last night (makes for good background entertainment whilst you're doing something else) and didn't recall them dropping any hints (not that they do, whilst they're a lot more open than they used to be they're still frustratingly cagey :lol:).
 

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I've not been paying attention to anything TS (apart from Armstrong Powerhouse's Class 411 pack which looks lovely) or TSW and so this is an interesting surprise.
Having a quick look at this link: https://live.dovetailgames.com/live/train-sim-world/articles/article/bringing-steam-to-tsw2, it seems to me as if the steam they'll be bringing to the game might be more, to use their term, 'work-a-day' steam as it would have appeared in the 1950s/1960s. That would suggest to me potentially something like a Black Five, or an 8F, but a Pannier is a very good suggestion - I think they might start small and then work up to having steam-era routes and all sorts. Personally, I'd love to see a 'King', 'Castle', or 'Hall' for the GWR route out of Paddington for railtours or something like that. But that's just me wanting quality engines I assume :)
I wonder if the diesel fume effect they use at the moment would work better for steam than it does diesel?

-Peter

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I do like AP's stuff, but I've moved on from that Sim now so aren't prepared to spend any more money on it.

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw multiple of the GWR classes you mentioned in another version of Riviera in the 50's. I would be very happy with that though. I think I'd prefer work-a-day steam over preserved options :)

I think that's likely. Looking at the routes that they currently have out and on the roadmap I don't think there's anywhere else at the moment that it would fit 'natively' as all their other routes are too modern. It also surely makes sense to start with something simple for your first outing into steam using all the new shiny stuff that the engine they have now can do. Assuming that pans out I guess the plan would be to then do a route set in the steam period as the follow up. I did watch the roadmap live stream they did on YouTube last night (makes for good background entertainment whilst you're doing something else) and didn't recall them dropping any hints (not that they do, whilst they're a lot more open than they used to be they're still frustratingly cagey :lol:).
Yes, they do keep their cards close to their chest. We've got South Eastern High Speed coming out this year as announced, you would think there would probably 2 other British routes in the year still to come, plus whatever Rivet games are working on, so one steam route seems likely.

I also wouldn't be surprised if it was a Terrier for the existing Isle of Wight route, or Tornado as that's a popular locomotive that gets around a lot so could almost go on any route.
 

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I do like AP's stuff, but I've moved on from that Sim now so aren't prepared to spend any more money on it.
Fair enough; I'm spending more time and money on models instead of a simulator now so I'm sort of in the same boat.

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw multiple of the GWR classes you mentioned in another version of Riviera in the 50's. I would be very happy with that though. I think I'd prefer work-a-day steam over preserved options :)
I'd love a GWR steam era route. Maybe something through Swindon or Bristol would be lovely?
Proper steam as it appeared in the 1950s/60s would also be really good if they could use TSW2 to the best of its ability to really create that run-down atmosphere which you just don't get from a heritage line.

-Peter
 

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TSW2 is half price this weekend and I like the look of the new high speed DLC but wondering if I'd be better holding off until they've added more DLC? I have the original TSW and most of the British DLC.
 

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TSW2 is half price this weekend and I like the look of the new high speed DLC but wondering if I'd be better holding off until they've added more DLC? I have the original TSW and most of the British DLC.
I would pick up the base game cheap now then just wait for the rest of the DLC to come. You will still be able to play most of your old content in the new version of the game anyway :)
 

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I wonder if anyone can help me out on something. Last week I purchased the Southeastern High Speed add-on for TSW2 and it is brilliant. However I have been having some issues with the 395 concerning the emergency brakes being applied automatically.
On some services from Faversham to St Pancras, I have to set the train’s power mode and as normal I press the DC button for 2 seconds then the ‘Pan Up Shoes Down’ button to close the MCB. For some reason on departure from Faversham when I pass the first green signal the emergency brakes apply by themselves and I have to spend a bit faffing around to get the train fixed before continuing on. Does anyone know how to stop this from happening? (I don’t have this issue if the train’s power mode has been set already)
 

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I wonder if anyone can help me out on something. Last week I purchased the Southeastern High Speed add-on for TSW2 and it is brilliant. However I have been having some issues with the 395 concerning the emergency brakes being applied automatically.
On some services from Faversham to St Pancras, I have to set the train’s power mode and as normal I press the DC button for 2 seconds then the ‘Pan Up Shoes Down’ button to close the MCB. For some reason on departure from Faversham when I pass the first green signal the emergency brakes apply by themselves and I have to spend a bit faffing around to get the train fixed before continuing on. Does anyone know how to stop this from happening? (I don’t have this issue if the train’s power mode has been set already)

I believe you have to press the pan up shoes down twice? One for the pan or shoes, then another time to close the MCB.
 

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I believe you have to press the pan up shoes down twice? One for the pan or shoes, then another time to close the MCB.
I think I did press it twice this evening but the emergency brakes still applied by themselves. I shall try it again tomorrow and see if I get to the bottom of this issue
 

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By way of update, South Eastern High Speed is out and it's pretty decent actually, there's a 465 coming for it too.

Also announced is the Arosa Line, which was done very well in TS20XX, so should be another excellent route. This is being produced by Rivet Games and the scenery here is stunning.

Finally, in the US the Clinchfield Railroad has been announced and the screenshots look excellent, I'm really looking forward to the classic diesels that are featured.

With steam traction also announced, it looks like it could be a good year for the game.
 

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By way of update, South Eastern High Speed is out and it's pretty decent actually, there's a 465 coming for it too.

Also announced is the Arosa Line, which was done very well in TS20XX, so should be another excellent route. This is being produced by Rivet Games and the scenery here is stunning.

Finally, in the US the Clinchfield Railroad has been announced and the screenshots look excellent, I'm really looking forward to the classic diesels that are featured.

With steam traction also announced, it looks like it could be a good year for the game.
At some point there’ll also be the Class 313 add-on for East Coastway
 

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By way of update, South Eastern High Speed is out and it's pretty decent actually, there's a 465 coming for it too.
I should probably preface my remarks with the note that I've not got SEHS, nor TSW2 - mainly because my laptop can't handle it!
I've seen a couple of reviews of the route, and whilst it has the normal TSW2 pretty lighting, etc., and there are several bits of the Class 395 which seem really nice, there are a lot of things - mainly related to the assets and overall design of the route - which let it down for me. One of the main things is the track, which seems to be far too brown and dirty in colour to be realistic. HS1 (at least the bit covered by SouthEastern services) has really quite clean track, and for me it's one of the main things about it. Some of the buildings next to the track (i.e. substations, etc.) along the HS1 section, particularly in the open between Stratford and Ebbsfleet, also look out-of-place with their brick textures and older designs. I'm not an expert on the route but I would have expected modern buildings along a modern route.
I'm aware this seems very critical of the route, especially seeing as I don't actually own it, but I'm just a bit disappointed that TSW2 seems to be failing on things which it shouldn't really be, and that puts me off buying it to a certain extent. I'm definitely not trying to criticise you or your view @Iskra: my apologies if that's how it seems!

Also announced is the Arosa Line, which was done very well in TS20XX, so should be another excellent route. This is being produced by Rivet Games and the scenery here is stunning.

Finally, in the US the Clinchfield Railroad has been announced and the screenshots look excellent, I'm really looking forward to the classic diesels that are featured.
Two other routes previously released for TS20xx - which suggests to me that we might see even more TS20xx routes re-done for TSW2. I'd love to see things like London - Brighton or the rest of the old GWML route from Reading to Oxford in TSW2 if they went down that route.

With steam traction also announced, it looks like it could be a good year for the game.
I remember reading about this a while ago, but I've not been following the subject; has anything else been announced/hinted at?

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I remember reading about this a while ago, but I've not been following the subject; has anything else been announced/hinted at?

They've announced that it is now in active development but they're keeping their cards close to their chest for the time being beyond that. But it is now in active development rather than "it's something we want to do, we're just thinking about how to do it and make it good".
 

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They've announced that it is now in active development but they're keeping their cards close to their chest for the time being beyond that. But it is now in active development rather than "it's something we want to do, we're just thinking about how to do it and make it good".
Ah excellent - thanks for the update. Nice to see that something's being done: steam might be the thing which makes me finally get TSW2!

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In today’s roadmap announcement, the Glasgow Cathcart Circle line has been announced as a forthcoming route, as well as a GWR classic diesel pack for the Great Western Express route.
 
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the Glasgow Cathcart Circle line has been announced as a forthcoming route

The roadmap stream also confirmed that it would be coming with the 314 (taking advantage of their work on the 313).
 

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I've just been looking on Twitter and saw Moleman978 (@YaBoiJames97 on Twitter - he works for DTG I should add) asking why people are complaining about the GWE Diesel Legends pack (or whatever it's called) when they don't complain about the BR Blue Diesel Electric Pack for TS20xx. He says that they're both pretty much the same, and the GWE pack hasn't even been released yet.
Here's the DTG article on it:

TRAIN SIM WORLD 2 – WESTERN GLORY​


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Immerse yourself in the British Diesel motive power of the 1970s, experience a bygone era with Train Sim World 2 Diesel Legends of the Great Western.
Providing a new gameplay experience to the existing Great Western Express, Diesel Legends of the Great Western brings a brand-new service mode, scenarios and tutorials to the Great Western London Paddington to Reading Add-On. Giving you the sense of this famous route from 50 years ago.
Diesel Legends of the Great Western offers an entirely new perspective of the Western region through the cabs of yesteryear. This exciting new Add-On for Great Western Express brings the magnificent BR Class 52, BR Class 101 DMU, and BR Class 08 into the region, applying the striking British Railways liveries of the early 1970s to these iconic locomotives. To complete your consists, the BR MK 1 and BR MK 2 coaches will be joining them, also resplendent in era-appropriate liveries.

BR Class 52 ‘Western’​

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A true powerhouse of the era. Its sleek design, substantial strength, and unique engine sound have made the BR Class 52 ‘Western’ a favourite amongst railfans, desperate to witness each of the individually named locomotives. Should you wish to seek out each of these unique locomotives yourself, all 72 will be included in the Diesel Legends of the Great Western Add-on, proudly painted in British Railways Rail Blue livery.,

BR Class 101 DMU​

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As a busy commuter hub, the region isn’t just home to powerful express trains, regular local suburban services frequent the entire route. To represent this more modest pace of travel across West London, and into the Home Counties, we have also included the BR Class 101 DMU, in its BR Blue Grey Livery. This enduring DMU has featured across the entire BR network, and when several units were sent to the Western region in 1967 it became a common sight on various services between London and Reading. You can expect numerous services across the entire route, representing services terminating at Reading and London Paddington, and those bound for further-reaching destinations across the Home Counties and the Midlands.

BR Class 08​

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Filling out the complement of 1970’s iconic Diesel locomotives is the BR Class 08 in BR Blue livery, this venerable shunter has worked the length and breadth of the UK on all kinds of freight and shunting work. Almost 1000 of these versatile little shunters have been produced and incredibly almost 100 of them are still in active service across the UK. You will enjoy various shunting services in yards situated across the route such as Old Oak Common.

Timetables​

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Diesel Legends utilises the brand-new Multiple Timetable feature to create a second completely new timetable experience on Great Western featuring trains from the BR Blue period. In addition to driving up and down the mainline between Paddington and Reading in a Class 101 DMU or running express services using the Class 52 Western, you'll also be able to experience how these older locomotive hauled trains changed direction at Paddington, by using locomotive changes and runs in and out of Old Oak Common depot. It's a route we all know and love, but it's a different time, with different operations and different trains.
The modern timetable remains fully accessible by simply returning to the menu. Multiple timetable selection also works with Explore on Foot, so you'll be able to pick BR Blue or Modern timetables before you arrive in the world and immerse yourself in your chosen experience.
Diesel Legends of the Great Western is coming soon to Train Sim World 2. Look out for more information, screenshots and videos in the coming weeks on @trainsimworld on Twitter and Facebook for more screenshots and videos of the new route. You can look forward to a preview on Railfan TV and, in our next article, we will be look at what this pack brings to Scenario Planner and Livery Designer.

My first thought after having seen this was "why are they re-releasing stock they've already made?". I thought we'd left this sort of thing behind with TS20xx! Apart from the BR Blue livery for the Class 52, and the scenarios/timetable services which come with the included trains, there's nothing new in this pack. DTG can't even use the excuse that they're allowing people to run these trains on GWE because the scenario planner removed that limitation.
Can someone please give me an explanation of this pack? I think I'm missing something.

-Peter :)
 

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I agree to an extent @Peter C ,but for me it comes down to the price point they are charging as to whether this makes any sense or not. If it's priced at the price of a reskin and a new timetable I think it's okay, so I'd say around £10-£15 max, but if it's anything above £20 it's a bit of a rip off.

I also can't see it being massively successful, as it's not going to offer fans of that diesel era a very authentic experience, with these trains operating on the modern route. One hopes that they fix the GWE/NTP scenario planner red light bug too before this is released...

DTG do seem to be taking a few steps backwards recently. The 314 that @ainsworth74 mentions is also essentially a slightly modified reskin too and all the recent British routes are lacking variety in that they are all suburban EMU based. How many EMU routes will that be in a row now? I ended up buying South Eastern High Speed because that's the only UK DLC that's come out for ages and two of my three favourite routes are currently unplayable, but I won't be buying anything else until they introduce more variety.
 

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I agree to an extent @Peter C ,but for me it comes down to the price point they are charging as to whether this makes any sense or not. If it's priced at the price of a reskin and a new timetable I think it's okay, so I'd say around £10-£15 max, but if it's anything above £20 it's a bit of a rip off.
I can definitely see where you're coming from - and I'm in agreement with you. I read somewhere it would be around £12, but don't quote me on that!

I also can't see it being massively successful, as it's not going to offer fans of that diesel era a very authentic experience, with these trains operating on the modern route. One hopes that they fix the GWE/NTP scenario planner red light bug too before this is released...
That's what I was thinking too. My main issue with it is that they're offering old trains on a modern route, which will significantly affect the realism of the scenarios and services. Just look at some of the routes available for TS20xx where people have backdated them and look at how much better they are for older scenarios!

DTG do seem to be taking a few steps backwards recently. The 314 that @ainsworth74 mentions is also essentially a slightly modified reskin too and all the recent British routes are lacking variety in that they are all suburban EMU based. How many EMU routes will that be in a row now? I ended up buying South Eastern High Speed because that's the only UK DLC that's come out for ages and two of my three favourite routes are currently unplayable, but I won't be buying anything else until they introduce more variety.
I've mentioned on here before that I'd like to see them do something like the Cotswold Line, and I think that would be a good idea right now considering what you've said. DTG are based in the south-east (Chatham area IIRC) and therefore are likely to have more of a leaning to routes and stock from around there, but having so many EMU-based routes is a bit boring. I'm interested to see how they'll move over to more locos and particularly steam in the (near, hopefully) future.

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I agree to an extent @Peter C ,but for me it comes down to the price point they are charging as to whether this makes any sense or not. If it's priced at the price of a reskin and a new timetable I think it's okay, so I'd say around £10-£15 max, but if it's anything above £20 it's a bit of a rip off.

I also can't see it being massively successful, as it's not going to offer fans of that diesel era a very authentic experience, with these trains operating on the modern route.

Yes I think I'd tend to agree with that. Also depends on what is included. I already have the 101 and the 08 but I've never bothered with the Western as it's only really featured on the West Somerset (another route I've not bothered with). If this pack gets me the Western and the extra timetables/scenarios at £15 then colour me interested. If it's just timetables/scenarios for the 101 and 08 for £15 then nah. Sorry.

To be fair to them they've said on a stream at some stage that it's very much an experiment to see what happens commercially if they release something like this but I do tend to agree that I'm not wholly convinced that this is going to do that well.

DTG do seem to be taking a few steps backwards recently. The 314 that @ainsworth74 mentions is also essentially a slightly modified reskin too and all the recent British routes are lacking variety in that they are all suburban EMU based. How many EMU routes will that be in a row now? I ended up buying South Eastern High Speed because that's the only UK DLC that's come out for ages and two of my three favourite routes are currently unplayable, but I won't be buying anything else until they introduce more variety.

Yeah I was a bit disappointed that it's the 314 rather than say the 380 or even a 385 (which I think can end up on the Cathcart Circle?). Sure it'd be another EMU but at least something a bit different again rather than just another southern based EMU or, at best, a slightly tweaked version there of (313 and 314). Even the DLC coming next week is another ruddy southern EMU in the 465. It definitely feels like they've hit a bit of rut at the moment in terms of UK content (there's some interesting things on the horizon for Germany/Switzerland and Clinchfield seems like it might be good fun over in the US so it's not terrible all over) and the only route that I can spot on the roadmap for the UK is the Cathcart Circle (as you say another suburban EMU route). I assume that at some stage they'll have to announce some more UK routes (and I do wonder if part of that might be related to steam locomotive development) but crikey I hope we get something that isn't just all shacks commuter stuff before too long!
 

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Yes I think I'd tend to agree with that. Also depends on what is included. I already have the 101 and the 08 but I've never bothered with the Western as it's only really featured on the West Somerset (another route I've not bothered with). If this pack gets me the Western and the extra timetables/scenarios at £15 then colour me interested. If it's just timetables/scenarios for the 101 and 08 for £15 then nah. Sorry.

To be fair to them they've said on a stream at some stage that it's very much an experiment to see what happens commercially if they release something like this but I do tend to agree that I'm not wholly convinced that this is going to do that well.



Yeah I was a bit disappointed that it's the 314 rather than say the 380 or even a 385 (which I think can end up on the Cathcart Circle?). Sure it'd be another EMU but at least something a bit different again rather than just another southern based EMU or, at best, a slightly tweaked version there of (313 and 314). Even the DLC coming next week is another ruddy southern EMU in the 465. It definitely feels like they've hit a bit of rut at the moment in terms of UK content (there's some interesting things on the horizon for Germany/Switzerland and Clinchfield seems like it might be good fun over in the US so it's not terrible all over) and the only route that I can spot on the roadmap for the UK is the Cathcart Circle (as you say another suburban EMU route). I assume that at some stage they'll have to announce some more UK routes (and I do wonder if part of that might be related to steam locomotive development) but crikey I hope we get something that isn't just all shacks commuter stuff before too long!

The Warship in TSW2 is actually very good, I wasn't a massive fan of it for just doing 25mph on the WSR, but once you were able to use it on the East Coastway route I had some good fun with it :)

I agree. Yes, the overseas stuff is interesting me much more- Clinchfield looks excellent and those classic diesels look like they will be good fun to drive. Arosa line also looks amazing- it passes through amazing scenery, has lots of gradients and it has locomotive haulage. I've enjoyed the German route I have too. Yes, maybe they are working on a steam route- that's something I would definitely buy.

I will probably regain some TSW optimism when I can use the scenario designer on Northern Transpennine and Great Western Express, as those are two of my favourite routes and the scenario designer is my favourite way to play, currently the game is a little frustrating.
 
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