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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

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Just a gentle reminder this is an updates thread; we do welcome any suggestions/ideas but we do ask that these be posted in the Speculative Ideas section, please.

Thanks! :)

Edit: I have just moved several posts into that section.
 
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Appreciate RTT shows this as started moving although well late but it is now caped according to another website. Any idea what stock was involved?
It was caped on RTT at the same time it was moving on Traksy before being reinstated.

Looks like it will follow 1E18 from Monktonhall Jn

5E23 1409 Monktonhall Jn following 1E18
 
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Why would it? It's pathed as 125mph so presumably under its own power.
 

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Why would it? It's pathed as 125mph so presumably under its own power.
I didn't check the pathing to be honest!
It ventured up that way over the weekend and is still up there so was just curious
 

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No wonder it lost more and more time if it was pathed at 125!

For a class 47 and 6 vehicles it would have had adequate time for the full route, especially north of Newcastle. The fact it left late and out of path is a more likely to have caused time to be dropped than anything. A HST could have been scheduled another hour quicker (with most of that saved north of Newcastle).
 

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No wonder it lost more and more time if it was pathed at 125!
I wouldn't read too much into timing loads
I'm not familiar with the inner workings of TPS, but each train will have two timing loads, one of which may be hidden from the user.

In Trainplan, which was used before TPS, both of these timing loads were visible to planners and could be independently altered if required.

The Trainplan Timing Load was used to calculate Sectional Running Times (SRT's) appropriate to the trains being planned. Additionally, there was a TSDB Timing Load, which was a much more simplified and limited value. It is the latter timing load that appears in the CIF.

A Trainplan Timing Load would automatically match to a TSDB Timing Load, but it was possible to subsequently alter the TSDB Timing Load to a different value. This was very useful if, for example, running trains over routes they don't normally work, where the relevant Trainplan Timing Load was not populated with SRT's. Other uses include changing traction type, if being replaced by something that can achieve the SRT's.

Not all tools in Train Planners' armoury are visible to end users, as they don't make it into the CIF. Three types of timing allowance are visible in TRUST and online systems - engineering, pathing and performance, but a fourth, adjustment allowance, isn't. This is a vital tool for planners, but is invisible to anybody without access to planning software. It is used to extend or reduce SRT's where required, such as differential speed junctions or when the timing load is not wholly appropriate to the train being timed. Despite what many people assume, timings are not held in the planning software for all trains over all routes. In fact, when it comes to charters and other one-off movements, it is highly unlikely that any SRT's exist in the software for that specific train. A train shown as timed to a maximum speed of 75mph or 95mph may not actually have been timed as such, that is just what the CIF outputs. Changes of Timing Load can also be made en-route.

I am pleased to see these officially approved open online systems, but do feel that many of the questions arising are simply due to people over-analysing things that don't really need to be analysed!

I hope this gives a better understanding of some of the issues raised in this thread and in some others.
 

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Is someone sitting in a train planning office creating paths as part of a training scheme? Is there ever any intention of operating these paths?
 

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On another note 43138 which has been out of use at Inverness for almost 2 years is back in service. At Eastfield this morning.
 

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On another note 43138 which has been out of use at Inverness for almost 2 years is back in service. At Eastfield this morning.
Need to get 43128 out now. As far as I know this hasn’t worked since arriving in Scotland.
 

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Can I ask why it hasn't been in use for so long?
It was being used for parts and wasn't really needed for service. With almost all the coaches here now all the power cars are required.

Need to get 43128 out now. As far as I know this hasn’t worked since arriving in Scotland.
That one was used as the test bed for removing the ATP and associated mods and was then used as the depot trainer at Haymarket. Its disappeared now. Must be in a shed somewhere.
 

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It was being used for parts and wasn't really needed for service. With almost all the coaches here now all the power cars are required.
I find that a little strange, wouldn't it have made more sense to acquire more of the off-lease powercars like 018 and 185 have been for parts? Surely the parts have been taken from one of these to put back onto 138?
 
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