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Businesses in England that will still restrict entry (via face masks) after July 19th

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They can encourage all they like.

At least now if anyone challenges me I can say it is not illegal rather then I am exempt.

I suspect/ hope this is the beginning of the end as more people volunteer to stop wearing them and the world notices it doesn’t make any difference anyway.

True. They might have staff at the door asking "Have you got a face mask?" and I'll say "No.". And/or they might ask "Would you like a face mask, sir?". To which I'll say "No thanks!". They won't be able to stop us entering their stores, nor will they be able to contact the police about us not wearing them!

I too hope this is the beginning and that more and more people decide to stop wearing the darn things, to show these shops, public transport operators, local/regional mayors, the government, etc that the vast majority of the public have absolutely had enough of wearing these ridiculous face masks!

It is going to be very interesting next week. No one here really knows for sure what the demographics are like of how many people continue to wear face masks and how many people stop wearing them. I did previously say that I expected it to be very few and far between. Though sadly I don't think it will be quite that low now. I think it will be more like no more than about 30% of people wearing them, though with that receeding as the weeks go on. IF in the event that a high number of people are still wearing them though, this will not be good, and could possibly result in the legal mandate on wearing them re-imposed and that could drag on for a long time.
 
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Yep! Encourage is fine. It is the minimum message any large business with a social media account will need to say they are doing to avoid the ire of the blue heart / EU flag emoji braying mob over the next few days. They can then happily ramp down their encouragement over time and everybody should be happy.
What’s the EU flag got to do with it?
 

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Regardless of whatever the business decides, it's not muddled at all. There will be no legal requirement to wear a mask. They can ask you politely (and I think that will be largely limited to posters) and you can politely refuse.
I will not be wearing a mask anywhere.
Does that go for public transport, TfL for example?
 

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Does that go for public transport, TfL for example?
Yes.
TfL arr changing their conditions of carriage to demand masks, but that isn't legally enforceable. They can deny you travel or ask you to leave of you refuse, but judging by the number of TfL staff that either wear them on their chin or not at all I don't think there will be much "enforcement".
As is understand it Manchester Metrolink is similar, and all the other transport mask mandates are just bluster.
 

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They won't be able to stop us entering their stores
Unless they are discriminating against a protected characteristic (race, gender, age etc) they can choose who enters their stores. Granted, very few businesses are likely to take such a line but they are entitled to deny entry without a face covering if they wish.
 

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What’s the EU flag got to do with it?

There does seem to be a strong correlation on social media between those accounts with EU flags /FBPE and wanting restrictions.

Which is ironic, because a couple of months ago these were the people saying we should completely shut our borders.

But many remainers (like me) who don't feel the need to put these symbols on our accounts seem to be a bit more rational about covid...

I guess it's down to virtue signalling.
 

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There does seem to be a strong correlation on social media between those accounts with EU flags /FBPE and wanting restrictions.

Which is ironic, because a couple of months ago these were the people saying we should completely shut our borders.

But many remainers (like me) who don't feel the need to put these symbols on our accounts seem to be a bit more rational about covid...

I guess it's down to virtue signalling.
Yeah, I'd had a flick through the replies to Waterstones as their Twitter had been going viral somewhat and there was a strong correlation. Being of the same opinion as yourself I think, I find the irony of it very bizarre - the next level though is people who were pro-open borders, then wanted them closed to keep the disease vectors out, but also attack the Government for not letting enough refugees in! I can't keep up with the mental gymnastics. In any case I think in the bluster people had missed Waterstone's message which was they aren't barring non-maskers and if people don't like that, to keep away from them, which is perfectly reasonable!
 

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There does seem to be a strong correlation on social media between those accounts with EU flags /FBPE and wanting restrictions.

Which is ironic, because a couple of months ago these were the people saying we should completely shut our borders.

But many remainers (like me) who don't feel the need to put these symbols on our accounts seem to be a bit more rational about covid...

I guess it's down to virtue signalling.

This is where Twitter is now. I read an excellent article this morning where I saw this sort of behaviour described as 'performative rage'. More and more want to be seen to be angry and standing for or against something on a platform which in the case of Covid doesn't change anything at all. People yelling at clouds.
 

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Masks will still be required on Metrolink trams.
Yay for Andy Burnham :rolleyes:

They can encourage all they like.

At least now if anyone challenges me I can say it is not illegal rather then I am exempt.

I suspect/ hope this is the beginning of the end as more people volunteer to stop wearing them and the world notices it doesn’t make any difference anyway.
Indeed - they can ask, but you can politely refuse without needing to go into any detail as to why. I wouldn't even go down the route of stating it isn't illegal.
 

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This is where Twitter is now. I read an excellent article this morning where I saw this sort of behaviour described as 'performative rage'. More and more want to be seen to be angry and standing for or against something on a platform which in the case of Covid doesn't change anything at all. People yelling at clouds.

Performative rage. What an excellent term.

Would you mind posting the link to the article, if you still have it? (or dm me as this is slightly off topic)
 

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There does seem to be a strong correlation on social media between those accounts with EU flags /FBPE and wanting restrictions.

Which is ironic, because a couple of months ago these were the people saying we should completely shut our borders.

But many remainers (like me) who don't feel the need to put these symbols on our accounts seem to be a bit more rational about covid...

I guess it's down to virtue signalling.
Well I must be in your camp then although I am one step further by not having Twitter at all. It looks like a receipt for a heart attack from rage :)
 

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Sainsbury's to "encourage" masks after 19th July! I thought someone on here mentioned that they would be supportive of customers not wearing masks? Seems they've backtracked on this a bit!


The UK's two largest supermarkets will continue to ask shoppers to wear masks, even after the legal requirement to do so in England is dropped on Monday.

Sainsbury's and Tesco have joined the bookseller, Waterstones, which has said customers should wear masks to protect staff and other shoppers.

BBC also reporting that Tesco will be 'encouraging' shoppers. Part of me is worried by this but the other part is thinking it is a token gesture to keep the twitter mob happy. We will see in the coming weeks.



All those who want masks to end - get out there next week, maskless, nice and cheerful and visit various shops/places. The more people who see others not wearing, the more it will drop away.
 
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BBC also reporting that Tesco will be 'encouraging' shoppers. Part of me is worried by this but the other part is thinking it is a token gesture to keep the twitter mob happy. We will see in the coming weeks.



All those who want masks to end - get out there next week, maskless, nice and cheerful and visit various shops/places. The more people who see others not wearing, the more it will drop away.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the deal with the common situation. "I have forgot my mask" - No it is is no problem we will sell / give you another one (very wasteful). Hopefully people that forget masks can just carry on without anyone challenging them now.

On the other hand the definition of busy is interesting. Tesco's are saying they will restrict entry. But queuing outdoors often results in you going elsewhere if it is raining. I think many people have got used to "only 1 customer at once" (why wear a mask at all in such places now). But when people are stood outside I often don't bother doing in, often going to a competitor with no queue or a larger shop.
 
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Masks will still be required on Metrolink trams.
Not legally.
So, according to this forum, absolutely nobody will be in shops come Monday?
What does this even mean?!

All those who want masks to end - get out there next week, maskless, nice and cheerful and visit various shops/places. The more people who see others not wearing, the more it will drop away.
Agreed. We need to stand firm and not allow PA announcements to bully us.
 

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BBC also reporting that Tesco will be 'encouraging' shoppers. Part of me is worried by this but the other part is thinking it is a token gesture to keep the twitter mob happy. We will see in the coming weeks.

I'm rather sick of being treated like a 3-year-old, I don't need or want to be 'encouraged'. I can make my own decisions.

All those who want masks to end - get out there next week, maskless, nice and cheerful and visit various shops/places. The more people who see others not wearing, the more it will drop away.

100% this. Absolutely vital if we are to have any hope of ever seeing an end to the wretched things.
 

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Just shop online,I have since all this rubbish started last year. No queues, no problems, no agro. and no bxxxxy masks.
 

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Tesco's are saying they will restrict entry.
Of course, some places already restrict entry. So potential customers mingle around in close proximity outside, rather than nicely spread out in the shop according to what they want to buy. By all means carry out risk assessments, but let's keep it in proportion to the real risks.
 

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As recently as yesterday Nexus had said that they would not be making masks a condition of carriage, however today it's been announced that they will be a condition of carriage after all.
 

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But I expect you'll be made to feel really guilty if you don't comply.:rolleyes:

I can see an element of that happening already. Having gone for a week seeing no one batting an eyelid over lack of mask use on the T&W Metro, today I’ve seen three mask arguments. Hopefully this is just a coincidence.

What I find strange is that if someone is genuinely bothered about someone else not wearing a mask, surely the obvious thing to do is keep as far away as possible, not stir up a confrontation?
 

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A local cafe has posted that to make customers feel safe they are going to continue with the current arrangements of masks while walking around / ordering. They won’t be increasing capacity etc. The keep us masked mob certainly are winning the pressure argument. But then they will saying the world will end has more impact then saying I a pleased they are going. They are going to remove the plastic screen in front of the till which is interesting. I guess they won’t miss my custom, even though I have made a point of supporting it up to now.

I can see an element of that happening already. Having gone for a week seeing no one batting an eyelid over lack of mask use on the T&W Metro, today I’ve seen three mask arguments. Hopefully this is just a coincidence.

What I find strange is that if someone is genuinely bothered about someone else not wearing a mask, surely the obvious thing to do is keep as far away as possible, not stir up a confrontation?
I actually do say that to the vigilantes. You have walked over from where you were, to me, just to give me abuse. Why put yourself in danger if not wearing a mask is such a problem. I often ask - would they ask a wheelchair user why they are in a wheelchair but apparently “that is different”.
 

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Yesterday (P.S. I've now fully returned to buses), I was on a Stagecoach bus. Out of about 6-7 people on total, only myself and one other girl of about my age were wearing a mask onboard.
 

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The cafe that I volunteer at has decided to continue with mask wearing and social distancing until further notice.
This decision was made after consulting staff and customers over the past 2 weeks with the overwhelming opinion being that there should be no relaxation of the current rules.
 

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The cafe that I volunteer at has decided to continue with mask wearing and social distancing until further notice.
This decision was made after consulting staff and customers over the past 2 weeks with the overwhelming opinion being that there should be no relaxation of the current rules.
I wonder what will change people’s views. Wave 1 (minimum restrictions) and Wave 2 and 3 lots of restrictions shows that the virus will spread irrespective. In fact we were under lockdown for wave 2 and numbers still increased. This is the wave that i personally know the most people impacted.

let’s hope that the people that stop wearing on Monday show the masks have minimum impact and more people ditch them until people don’t feel pressured to wear them. (Or don’t get physically attacked for not doing so).

still lots of big chains on the fence. I just don’t see the point of wearing them to get to your table.

we know the numbers will increase. But the problem is no-one can pin down the exact reason. Easier to blame non-mask wearers the nightclub goers. (Who also should be enjoying their new freedoms). Hopefully in August the majority will realise a bit of unhygienic cloth makes no difference and they won’t be attacked for not wearing it.
 

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A local cafe has posted that to make customers feel safe they are going to continue with the current arrangements of masks while walking around / ordering. They won’t be increasing capacity etc. The keep us masked mob certainly are winning the pressure argument. But then they will saying the world will end has more impact then saying I a pleased they are going.
I daresay the lack of profit will eventually win out over decreasing covers
 

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I can see an element of that happening already. Having gone for a week seeing no one batting an eyelid over lack of mask use on the T&W Metro, today I’ve seen three mask arguments. Hopefully this is just a coincidence.

What I find strange is that if someone is genuinely bothered about someone else not wearing a mask, surely the obvious thing to do is keep as far away as possible, not stir up a confrontation?
This whole setup now of encouraging masks but not legally requiring them has created some "outstanding" levels of division and conflict in recent days, which makes me believe the Government wanted this in the same way division distracts from all sorts of other antics of theirs.

At the moment I'm just hoping we can ride it out for a week or two before businesses either come around and drop requirements and in particular infection rates start dropping again despite easing other restrictions.
 
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