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Businesses in England that will still restrict entry (via face masks) after July 19th

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At Intake chip shop in Doncaster, there were signs saying ‘you must wear a mask; only one person in the shop at a time’. Naturally I went to Queens chippy in Armthorpe, where there were no signs and the mini-fish was huge.
I think I'd make a point of going in and asking if they want people to wear masks, and if they say yes, make it clear I am taking my business elsewhere.

I am not masking anywhere in the UK again*; any business that mandates it will lose my custom and I am keen for virtue signallers to know that they are losing custom; I am not afraid to tell them!

(* the one exception to this may be if planes are mandating them and if Eurostar isn't a viable option to get around it)
 
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One thing that I see as a recipe for problems next week is I have not seen many businesses saying if they will remove / keep the face mask requirements next week. This thread is for listing business that will still deny entry to people not wearing face masks (so I can avoid them)

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Most Airlines are saying yes you are not welcome if you can’t wear a mask.

But what shops / chains have openly said they want to continue to make people with medical exceptions feel uncomfortable entering them?
The amusing thing about this debate is that we have 3 Mask zealots who pontificate and lecture at length but if you ask specific questions about that do not fit in with their agenda they decline to answer.
I find it rather rude as I am not 12 years old
The more amusing thing is that they think no one notices!
I am not going to name and shame but they know who they are.
 

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Rang Specsavers to book my annual eye test this morning. Long pre-recorded message about Covid and saying 'From December 12th all our branches are fully open for appointments'. Looks like time to update that recording...
Not looking forward to it, when I popped in to have my hearing aids looked like I had to go through Fort Knox before they would allow me though the dooor.
 

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I enquired with FlixBus if face masks are compulsory on their services within England. They replied with yes they are compulsory for travel on their services, unless you have a doctor's note!
What is this doctors note, has anyone ever seen one. Does your doctor have an official document that they fill in or do they just write on a sheet of paper that you are exempt?
 

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What is this doctors note, has anyone ever seen one. Does your doctor have an official document that they fill in or do they just write on a sheet of paper that you are exempt?
NHS doctors are under instructions not to issue mask exemption notes as they are not and have never been a requirement in the UK. Some may issue them (either with or without a fee) and private GPs are more likely to provide one.

They are widely required on airlines and international trains. Although if flying to the USA, exemptions are not accepted, in line with TSA directives. (It would be of minor interest to see how it would end up in court if British Airways refused to allow a disabled child travel to the USA on those grounds...)
 

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NHS doctors are under instructions not to issue mask exemption notes as they are not and have never been a requirement in the UK. Some may issue them (either with or without a fee) and private GPs are more likely to provide one.

They are widely required on airlines and international trains. Although if flying to the USA, exemptions are not accepted, in line with TSA directives. (It would be of minor interest to see how it would end up in court if British Airways refused to allow a disabled child travel to the USA on those grounds...)
So are they issued on a official form or just a note scribbled on a piece of paper. Could someone just forge one?
 

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I am not masking anywhere in the UK again*; any business that mandates it will lose my custom and I am keen for virtue signallers to know that they are losing custom; I am not afraid to tell them!

(* the one exception to this may be if planes are mandating them and if Eurostar isn't a viable option to get around it)
I presume you are 100% certain you don't need to access any NHS services then?
 

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Have there been stories of people being refused treatment due to them not wearing a flimsy loose fitting mask?
 

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So are they issued on a official form or just a note scribbled on a piece of paper. Could someone just forge one?
The small number I have seen are issued in the form of letters on normal headed paper.

Lots of things can be forged. Forgery is a serious criminal offence.

Have there been stories of people being refused treatment due to them not wearing a flimsy loose fitting mask?
I remember reading some earlier in the year (pre-July 19th, although the law around wearing of face coverings in healthcare environments in England has not changed, since they were never required). Patients were directed to seek care by telephone or video-conference. I will see if I can find the stories.
 

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I presume you are 100% certain you don't need to access any NHS services then?
My father has just had a knee replacement operation. They were strict on the door about masks and in the waiting area but on the ward were not fussed. He said he spoke to two nurses both of whom felt that they were useless.
 

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Have there been stories of people being refused treatment due to them not wearing a flimsy loose fitting mask?
There have been lots of stories about you pushing back, and not going to places that require masks, but you keep going to them, and wearing masks.
 

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There have been lots of stories about you pushing back, and not going to places that require masks, but you keep going to them, and wearing masks.
I'm not really sure what you are bringing to this debate or how that answers my question; I am not sure what this has got to do with anything really.

As I've said before, if any organisation requires a mask I won't be wearing one.

My father has just had a knee replacement operation. They were strict on the door about masks and in the waiting area but on the ward were not fussed. He said he spoke to two nurses both of whom felt that they were useless.
I therefore suspect they would not have refused to treat him if he did not put a mask on.
 

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The small number I have seen are issued in the form of letters on normal headed paper.

Lots of things can be forged. Forgery is a serious criminal offence.
I am unclear who exactly is going to know or care if you show a forged certificate to a Flixbus driver
The good news is that according to their rules you can download an exemption badge and that will do fine.
 

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I'm not really sure what you are bringing to this debate or how that answers my question; I am not sure what this has got to do with anything really.

As I've said before, if any organisation requires a mask I won't be wearing one.


I therefore suspect they would not have refused to treat him if he did not put a mask on.
Absolutely not.

He said they were all very nice. He only had to wear a mask passing through the waiting room on the way in. When I went to collect him, he did not have to wear one on the way out.
 

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Absolutely not.

He said they were all very nice. He only had to wear a mask passing through the waiting room on the way in. When I went to collect him, he did not have to wear one on the way out.
Just illustrates how facile it's all become. That's a stupid as the rules that said you could sit for hours in a pub but as soon as you got up to walk a few steps to the bog or the door to leave you were meant to put a mask on.
Stupid.
 

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Just illustrates how facile it's all become. That's a stupid as the rules that said you could sit for hours in a pub but as soon as you got up to walk a few steps to the bog or the door to leave you were meant to put a mask on.
Stupid.
Yes it's all about virtue signalling; by wearing a flimsy loose fitting mask for just some of the time you are indicating you are 'compliant'. It's not about following any sort of science or logic.
 

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I only wish to add a statement of factual observation re which businesses will restrict entry. Very few now thankfully. Lanyard rarely needed. TFL I find I still need my lanyard. East Meon village store - only place to get lunch for one of my days walking on South Downs Way - had only just started accepting any exemptions and still required 'proof' in July - they accepted a lanyard even though it is no proof, as can buy online. A few independent takeaways not the happiest about no mask, but very few will now actually restrict entry. The worst place was Exeter Vaccination Centre - total masktivists - and not good with exemptions. Accepted for entry without mask or visor after considerable discussion and fast tracked so as to not wait with others. On my second dose, I was checked in, vaccinated and did my observation time all in a blue indoor 'tent' that is usually used as an area for patients experiencing adverse reactions.
 

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I still need my lanyard
I'm confused why do you need a lanyard on TFL?

I have never understood it because the lanyard never has been proof of an exemption. It's not for Covid.

It's been around for year's for people to show that they have a disability either hidden or visible if the person wishes.

It has been abused by too many people who suddenly have a 'disability' during the pandemic just so they don't have to wear a mask. There have been people on the internet bragging about faking it and it is disgusting and shameful behaviour. If you have a disability then go for it it but too many people have openly admitted on sites like Tiktok to wearing one ty say f**k you to the rules!

Want to clarify @Class800 I'm not saying you are faking it!
 

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I understand the history of the sunflower lanyard and indeed its use for 'hidden' disabilities pre-Covid, although its visibility was far less. It was mainly used at airports for people with autism as a means of trying to indicate to security staff that their anxious demeanour is not aggression or being uncooperative but a result of the medical condition. The lanyard then became the symbol of mask exemptions. In the UK there was no system of proof, unlike many countries, and the sunflower scheme became the de facto official exemption card. Any system is open to mis-use but that is not a reason not to provide reasonable adjustments. America has shown how things can go wrong when people with disabilities are trodden on - with no exemptions recognised in many places. There can be many valid reasons for exemptions some of which may not easily come to mind actually. For me, it is due to sensory sensitivity secondary to Asperger's and also history of being strangled by violent teenagers when I was younger. Many ex-victims of assaults will also be unable to wear a mask. TFL still mandate masks, and recognise exemptions, either via the sunflower lanyard scheme or via their own exemption card.
 

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It has been abused by too many people who suddenly have a 'disability' during the pandemic just so they don't have to wear a mask. There have been people on the internet bragging about faking it and it is disgusting and shameful behaviour. If you have a disability then go for it it but too many people have openly admitted on sites like Tiktok to wearing one ty say f**k you to the rules!
In my experience, more people are faking it the other way (ie they are actually exempt and find wearing a mask incredibly difficult but still go along with it to keep the peace).
 

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Yes it's all about virtue signalling; by wearing a flimsy loose fitting mask for just some of the time you are indicating you are 'compliant'. It's not about following any sort of science or logic.
I had to laugh at the absolutely ludicrous photo at the top of this BBC story -


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The photo shows a man lying in a hospital bed wearing a surgical mask upside down stretched tightly with the strings cutting deeply into his cheeks over an oxygen mask, while a doctor stands over him wearing a surgical mask over an N95 mask.

Masks, particularly in healthcare settings, haven taken on a shamanistic quality. They're just tokens that will ward the evil spirits away and of course show that you're fully on board with all this nonsense.
 
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It has been abused by too many people who suddenly have a 'disability' during the pandemic just so they don't have to wear a mask. There have been people on the internet bragging about faking it and it is disgusting and shameful behaviour. If you have a disability then go for it it but too many people have openly admitted on sites like Tiktok to wearing one ty say f**k you to the rules!
So what is the big deal about that. Good luck to them.
 

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Had a big issue In a pub today . Me and my friends wore masks when approaching the bar.
Another patron in the pub had a problem with this and confronted us about this. We explained how we weren’t quite comfortable in a bar yet. It all kicked off, and the bar had to call the police to remove this person.
What a lovely world we live in.
 

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Had a big issue In a pub today . Me and my friends wore masks when approaching the bar.
Another patron in the pub had a problem with this and confronted us about this. We explained how we weren’t quite comfortable in a bar yet. It all kicked off, and the bar had to call the police to remove this person.
What a lovely world we live in.
I am sorry that you and your party had to experience that. Sounds like an awful individual
 

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I am not masking anywhere in the UK again*; any business that mandates it will lose my custom and I am keen for virtue signallers to know that they are losing custom; I am not afraid to tell them!

I don't really have a huge position on masks either way, but out of curiosity what do you do in the parts of the UK that still require them for some enclosed public spaces?

I certainly don't love wearing a mask when in a supermarket or similar but I will comply with the legal regulations in force here. Mostly because whether I approve of them or not I don't see a reason to put the staff in a difficult position not of there own making.
 

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I see the ferry in Fowey harbour is still insisting on masks, despite it being completely open air.
Ice cream shop had one tiny sign asking people to put masks on. Everyone was, except for me, despite the staff being completely unmasked. Bonkers! Why would you even think about masking if the staff aren't?
Petrol station just up the road has big shouty signs on every pump "Mask up to fill up!" and "No mask no entry" on the shop door. Ignored it all, the proprietor was wearing her mask on her chin anyway and said nothing about my bare face.
Most places seem sensible, but the habit people have for wearing the daft things is more stubborn than I expected it to be.
Mother in law put one on outside when she judged the street was too crowded. I know better than to try to educate her on the several ways this is completely futile. I'm waiting for her head to explode when she sees me stride into a shop bare faced!
 
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