Devon Sunset
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They can manage with 2 sets as long as they don't both end up at Haymarket. They can't manage with 17 or whatever the total is.
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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion
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DannyMich2018
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I think there's just 4 left to be delivered from Doncaster.
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Three have been reported as gone by road to Inverness, so only one to deliver.
DannyMich2018
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Okay that's great then. presumably not reported on here then unless I missed it.
The diagram that starts as the 0727 Edinburgh to Aberdeen was covered by a pair of 158s this morning… Not sure whether they remained on it or got swapped for an HST later. But the 0727 Edinburgh and Aberdeen and 1101 Aberdeen to Edinburgh for sure wasn’t an HST.
hexagon789
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A single 158 (no. 739) operated the 1530 and rest of diagram according to RTT.
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These are supposed to be their set diagrams (for now)
Can never entirely rely on them definitely being HSTs though as for example the diagram starting with 1A45 today was worked throughout by 158s
Devon Sunset
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HA10 failed with a wiper fault.
scotrail170407
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Yep, HA11 had an earlier finish at Aberdeen today after 1A77 so Haymarket weren’t left with both sets overnight
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About time - the fact it's been 7 years since 5 car HSTs were announced by Scotrail - and nearly 3 years after they were all supposed to be in traffic - is nothing short of shambolic. The routes they're working could have been electrified and supplied with new EMUs in the same timescale.
In a parallel universe, maybe.
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Slightly greater cost ???
hexagon789
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Both diagrams are running as 2+5 HST sets today.
Which is perhaps why sets are currently stabled at Slateford. There is no room for them no matter the length of the set.
The current two 5 car sets stable overnight at Aberdeen and Haymarket.
Having passed Haymarket today there were at least 5 sets in the course of being extended. With extra coaches moved from Slateford to complete the task.
Davester50
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Not before time! Sums up just how bad Abellio have been.
Surprised they weren't held back for the TS franchise to unveil them in a quick look what we've done aren't we just pure dead brilliant publicity push.
To be fair a lot of the delay was not Abellio's doing. The inability of Doncaster to produce converted coaches to the agreed timescale and Covid not allowing two people in the cab to train staff were the largest significant cause.
Must be a good financial case against Doncaster for breach of contract.
Davester50
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They chose an unproven option, so it's very much on Abellio and Transport Scotland too.
Who knew a 40+ year old steel bodied train running along the Cornish coast would be rusty? What a shock that must have come as...
Like the darned ferries and Bridge that's never to be closed for bad weather that closes in Scottish Weather - Transport Scotland needs to be seriously looked at.
Who knew a 40+ year old steel bodied train running along the Cornish coast would be rusty? What a shock that must have come as...
And yet there doesn't seem to be any news from an organisation that's hemorrhaging money about recovering costs from a supplier.
Like the darned ferries and Bridge that's never to be closed for bad weather that closes in Scottish Weather - Transport Scotland needs to be seriously looked at.
The HST's were chosen since for minimum costs to bring up to date they would last beyond the current franchise contract.
Leasing costs were also quite attractive.
With the other TOCs going for new trains the wait would be too long to join the queue for new stock.
Don't be surprised that when Voyagers come on the market that they too may be considered to join the HST's and releasing older DMUs.
Davester50
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It's been stated here that the current franchise proposal was written to preclude underfloor engines.
So if the trains that were barred the last time do end up here, it highlights just how hopeless Transport Scotland are.
So if the trains that were barred the last time do end up here, it highlights just how hopeless Transport Scotland are.
Because circumstances never change.
Davester50
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What's different about underfloor engines in 2015 compared with beyond 2025 from the service quality perspective which prevented keeping 170s then?
The only difference I can see is money - which I understand.
I wonder how they'll spin a so called reduction in quality if/when they do.
The only difference I can see is money - which I understand.
I wonder how they'll spin a so called reduction in quality if/when they do.
The state of electrification for one thing - hybrid trains that can spend most of the journey on OHLE and use their engines for the bits in-between weren't a viable option in 2015 but by 2025+ the earliest examples of 80x may be starting to be available.
Davester50
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That's not a Voyager though...
That's an astute observation. However, the specification didn't say that Voyagers were excluded, it was any train with underfloor engines.
Davester50
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Well, I was replying to a post not ruling them out from the next franchise specifically!
Bi-modes in the future? It makes sense during an impending route upgrade to Aberdeen. Waiting for the upgrade to the Highland Line? Hmm. However, this is all old coals being raked over.
They're here now, nearly three years late. Here's hoping the rest will follow without too many hitches.
fgwrich
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Could we try to keep this thread for updates to the ScotRail HSTs please and leave the are they / weren’t they / should they be replaced to the other thread in the speculative section please.
how have the two 5 car sets been performing today?
how have the two 5 car sets been performing today?
Agreed; just a gentle reminder to all that this is a thread to discuss updates regarding Scotrail HST introduction.
If anyone wishes to discuss anything else, you are welcome to create a new thread, if there isn't one already.
If anyone wishes to discuss anything else, you are welcome to create a new thread, if there isn't one already.
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Regarding the use of the HSTs, are there supposed to be set diagrams for these? It seems a little pointless having HSTs, 170s and 158s all operating the same route. Isn’t the idea to provide an intercity service between capitals?
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