Mk 2's on the Cumbrian and Yarmouth routes.The Fife Circle sets lasted till May 2020 (nominally, not sire what happened re Covid) so must have been the last; the Cumbrian Coast sets to the end of 2018 and the Norwich-Yarmouth set to Sept 2019.
Not sure of Mk 1s.
MK1s left the FNW franchise in, I think, 2002 when 175s fully took over the Holyhead-Crewe-Birmingham and Holyhead-Manchester loco-hauled services.What was the last loco-haulled Mk1 and Mk2 stock in use in regular passenger services? I presume for the Mk1's it would have been the North Wales coast line, and for the Mk2's the Caledonian sleeper?
Mk2 Barrow to Carlisle.What was the last loco-haulled Mk1 and Mk2 stock in use in regular passenger services? I presume for the Mk1's it would have been the North Wales coast line, and for the Mk2's the Caledonian sleeper?
And Fife Circle too, surely?Mk 2's on the Cumbrian and Yarmouth routes.
The official DRS farewell was on 11 Jan 2019 - so I stand by Dec 2018Mk2 Barrow to Carlisle.
Cumbrian coast line to December 2019.
Don't forget the Mark 2 lounges and brake/seats vehicles on the Caledonian Sleeper, which lasted to October 2019, I think.The Fife Circle sets lasted till May 2020 (nominally, not sure what happened re Covid) so must have been the last; the Cumbrian Coast sets to the end of 2018 and the Norwich-Yarmouth set to Sept 2019.
Not sure of Mk 1s.
I believe all Virgin sets had Mk3 catering vehicles, the last Mk 1 catering vehicle ( I think) was an RMB in an Anglia rake which was retired in early 2000's. Exact date i cannot confirm although I did witness its last journey into Liverpool St.MK1s left the FNW franchise in, I think, 2002 when 175s fully took over the Holyhead-Crewe-Birmingham and Holyhead-Manchester loco-hauled services.
Mk1 catering vehicles were in WCML (Virgin) formations (of Mk2/3 stock) quite late, maybe 2003 when Pendolinos/Voyagers replaced loco-hauled sets.
I believe all Virgin sets had Mk3 catering vehicles, the last Mk 1 catering vehicle ( I think) was an RMB in an Anglia rake which was retired in early 2000's. Exact date i cannot confirm although I did witness its last journey into Liverpool St.
North Wales for the older MK2s perhaps?A related question would be 'when did the last "older style" Mk-IIs run'? By older style I mean the sub-type with the large, openable windows and older style interior rather than the newer, air-conditioned sub-type with narrower windows and a more modern interior - and which used to be the mainstay of Reading XC services in the 80s.
I don't think I've seen any of these since about the year 2000.
Yes fully agree cumbrian was December 2018.And Fife Circle too, surely?
The official DRS farewell was on 11 Jan 2019 - so I stand by Dec 2018
Yes further more fife circle may 2020.And Fife Circle too, surely?
The official DRS farewell was on 11 Jan 2019 - so I stand by Dec 2018
Plenty of Mark 1s in everyday service well beyond 1985, and not just on secondary services. As has been mentioned above, Mk 1 buffets were in regular intercity use long after most "normal" seated Mk1 stock had been relegated to more humble duties.The Mk 1s from 1955-60 went in around 1975-85, and likewise the non-AC up to Mk 2c lasted from being built up to 1970 through to about 2000.
Plenty of Mark 1s in everyday service well beyond 1985, and not just on secondary services. As has been mentioned above, Mk 1 buffets were in regular intercity use long after most "normal" seated Mk1 stock had been relegated to more humble duties.
GWT certainly had a Mk1 RMB in traffic in 1999. Anglia had 3 Mk1 RBR until around the same period, possibly even 2000(?).Plenty of Mark 1s in everyday service well beyond 1985, and not just on secondary services. As has been mentioned above, Mk 1 buffets were in regular intercity use long after most "normal" seated Mk1 stock had been relegated to more humble duties.
The RMB (Miniature Buffet) cars? Essentially an ordinary Second Class coach but with a buffet counter 1/4 of the way into the coach at one end and taking up two window bays?A vaguely related question - when did the mark I buffets with the two smaller windows midway down the carriage disappear? I remember them well from the late 70s but not after that
There were no Mark 1 buffets on West Coast after privatisation; indeed I suspect they were killed off in such trains in the late 1980s/early 1990s as there was a sufficient surplus of Mark 3 RFMs to send some to Anglia. The Mark 3s to Anglia would only have happened once the Mark1s were eliminated. Thinking about it, the last Mark 1s on West Coast would have been the BGs until they were replaced by DVTs.Mk1 catering vehicles were in WCML (Virgin) formations (of Mk2/3 stock) quite late, maybe 2003 when Pendolinos/Voyagers replaced loco-hauled sets.
A related question would be 'when did the last "older style" Mk-IIs run'? By older style I mean the sub-type with the large, openable windows and older style interior rather than the newer, air-conditioned sub-type with narrower windows and a more modern interior - and which used to be the mainstay of Reading XC services in the 80s.
I don't think I've seen any of these since about the year 2000.
Yes, that is an RMB (Restaurant Miniature Buffet)Not sure of the acronym - but these things (apologies for the photo being a model):
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Yes, but they were RBRs not RMB.I think Anglia might have used MK1 buffets on its Liverpool Street Norwich services until about 1999? One of them has ended up at the Mid Norfolk, Ex Coldhams Lane.
I think mostly switched to RBR by then.RMBs worked many of the Cross Country services through Birmingham in the late 1970s. Did they last until the loco hauled sets were replaced by HSTs?
Makes sense. As buffet cars, RBRs had a lot more staff working space and secure pantry storage capacity than the RMBs.Yes, that is an RMB (Restaurant Miniature Buffet)
Yes, but they were RBRs not RMB.
I think mostly switched to RBR by then.
GWT still had RMB in 1999 as I mentioned