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adc82140

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Makes me laugh how the irony with the description of a ‘flimsy mask’ or ‘nappy’ and refusing to wear one is anywhere and everywhere already. If it’s so flimsy, what’s the issue with wearing it
If the government decreed that everyone must wear a head covering, which could be a hat from a Christmas cracker, to protect against falling asteroids, would you wear one, or question it?
 
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Not tough enough. Exemptions need to be removed, remember we're all I this together.

(I'm alright as I hardly go out to be fair - being obese and Diabetic I'd rather stay at home and shop online than go into the germfest that is my local shopping centre)
 

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Because we’ve not had a pandemic in years?
That's a different argument to "if it's so flimsy, where's the problem in wearing it"

The clearly is a problem with them otherwise people would wear them already.

As for the pandemic, yes there are differing views on the effectiveness/usefulness/proportionality of them. My view is that the justification or otherwise of them is very different in a largely vaccinated population to the situation last year.
 

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can I assume everyone is English in this thread ?

A recent trip to Scotland the other week was like going back to summer… checking in, mask wearing indoors, ontrains… it was second nature, no one seemed to be complaining either.

The TfW trip seemed to be a bit more confusing though at Wrexham/Chester, and reaction definitely seemed more mixed there.
 

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You’re describing the mask as flimsy yet refusing to wear one. If it’s so flimsy, it shouldn’t be an issue.
It is a sign of oppression and authoritarianism. It is also unpleasant. I am not going to wear one, whether you like it or not. If it is "no issue" why are you pushing the issue?

I see you won't answer my question; that will be because you know I am right.
Because we’ve not had a pandemic in years?
We are not in an epidemic state in the UK any more; we are transitioning from the epidemic phase to the endemic phase.
 

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You’re describing the mask as flimsy yet refusing to wear one. If it’s so flimsy, it shouldn’t be an issue.

It’s still over your face and affects some people’s breathing, as well as being generally unpleasant. Is it really that difficult to understand?

Because we’ve not had a pandemic in years?

And we don’t have one now.
 

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Sky News now in full-on doom mode. The newsreader was visibly purring with delight at the idea of masks making their return. If they’re so wonderful, why don’t they wear them whilst on air, to set an example?
Yes, that would be a good start. Why aren't newsreaders setting an example !
 

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How does Johnson get these restrictions through Parliament without hundreds of his backbenchers revolting and going to the 1922 Committee?
I think he'll be hoping this whole thing is a gift to him in distracting from all his other failures this month, and a revival in polling that might result might spare him a bit longer. This would certainly explain the unusually swift action.
 

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Yes, that would be a good start. Why aren't newsreaders setting an example !

I'll raise you - why didn't Johnson, Whitty and Vallance where them at this evening's (or any of the previous for that matter) press conference?
 

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Not tough enough. Exemptions need to be removed, remember we're all I this together.

(I'm alright as I hardly go out to be fair - being obese and Diabetic I'd rather stay at home and shop online than go into the germfest that is my local shopping centre)

Couldn't disagree more with your first paragraph.

Couldn't agree more with your second about avoiding my local shopping centre.
 

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I see you won't answer my question; that will be because you know I am right.
Not sure you’ll get anywhere in an arguement by insisting you are right and everyone who disagrees is wrong.
 

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Ok, so it is not compulsory to wear a mask in a crowded nightclub, but it is compulsory if you are in a train carriage by yourself?

I assume it will be a statutory instrument again. Also, will it apply to stations or just when travelling on buses and trains?
 

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Not tough enough. Exemptions need to be removed, remember we're all I this together.

(I'm alright as I hardly go out to be fair - being obese and Diabetic I'd rather stay at home and shop online than go into the germfest that is my local shopping centre)
So the disabled have no right to go out in your opinion. Nice.
 

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Not tough enough. Exemptions need to be removed, remember we're all I this together.

(I'm alright as I hardly go out to be fair - being obese and Diabetic I'd rather stay at home and shop online than go into the germfest that is my local shopping centre)
Couldn't disagree more with your first paragraph.

Couldn't agree more with your second about avoiding my local shopping centre.
This is clearly satire. :lol:

(I would ask people to use the ;) smiley when posting in a satirical/jokey manner as this replaces tone of voice which would make it obvious when joking in person)

Ok, so it is not compulsory to wear a mask in a crowded nightclub, but it is compulsory if you are in a train carriage by yourself?
In theory yes, except of course anyone can self-certify an exemption so it is only compulsory if we choose to go along with it. I won't be.



I assume it will be a statutory instrument again. Also, will it apply to stations or just when travelling on buses and trains?
It remains to be seen how it will be implemented
 

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So the disabled have no right to go out in your opinion. Nice.
Where have I said they have no right to go out? All I've said is effectively mask up.

What would you rather do: wear a mask to go to a shop or end up having to wear a mask in ICU
 

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I think he'll be hoping this whole thing is a gift to him in distracting from all his other failures this month, and a revival in polling that might result might spare him a bit longer. This would certainly explain the unusually swift action.

I think in that case he'll be very disappointed. He's just destroyed one of his few selling points - that he'd managed to negotiate over the course of 2021, via an 'irreversible' but slow roadmap, our way out of this. Instead we see all too clearly that restrictions can be reintroduced at the drop of a hat at any time.
 

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Where have I said they have no right to go out? All I've said is effectively mask up.

What would you rather do: wear a mask to go to a shop or end up having to wear a mask in ICU

Does wearing a mask / handkerchief / snood thingy / scarf or other piece of fabric over one's face stop them catching any or all variants of Covid or any other virus for that matter?

No it does not.

Nor does it mean one will end up in ICU.
 

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Does wearing a mask / handkerchief / snood thingy / scarf or other piece of fabric over one's face stop them catching any or all variants of Covid or any other virus for that matter?

No it does not.

Nor does it mean one will end up in ICU.
It reduces the risk.
 

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What would you rather do: wear a mask to go to a shop or end up having to wear a mask in ICU

Personally, I have a lot more faith in the vaccines, and a lot less faith in the efficacy of face coverings.

My view is that in the unlikely (but not impossible) event that I do end up in ICU as a result of COVID, face coverings will have made little difference to that outcome.

But as I said earlier, my views aren't strong. I'll wear it because it's mandated.
 

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Does wearing a mask / handkerchief / snood thingy / scarf or other piece of fabric over one's face stop them catching any or all variants of Covid or any other virus for that matter?

No it does not.

Nor does it mean one will end up in ICU.

But authoritarians enjoy seeing symbols of compliance, that’s the reality here.
 

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So what the **** was the point of getting vaccinated then? I shouldn't have wasted my ****ing time. And I definitely won't go going for the so-called booster.
 

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But authoritarians enjoy seeing symbols of compliance, that’s the reality here.
This is all it is, unfortunately. Oh well. We had a good run of it over the last few months I guess. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Government introduced something draconian about the exemption process (e.g written doctors note or £5,000 fine or something), otherwise I don’t think the uptake will be what they hope for - I haven’t worn one in any setting outside the airport in England since June and I don’t intend to again if they don’t do something like that. May as well do the Christmas shopping tomorrow to be on the safe side :)
 

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It reduces the risk.
Not true.

We now know that SARS-CoV-2 is transmitted through tiny aerosol particles.

A flimsy, loose fitting mask is not designed to filter tiny aerosol particles; they can simply pass through the mask, as well as at the sides of the mask.

If you want to be protected against transmission, and distrust the vaccines for some reason, you can choose to wear a highly effective, tight fitting, FFP3 mask which provides pretty much 100% protection, or an FFP2 which is almost as good.

Wearing a loose fitting mask will not achieve anything; the mass wearing of such masks in countries such as Germany did not prevent the virus spreading exponentially. Germany now has higher infection rates than the UK.

So what the **** was the point of getting vaccinated then? I shouldn't have wasted my ****ing time. And I definitely won't go going for the so-called booster.
That is the message Boris is portraying, but he is wrong. See my links above.
 

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So what the **** was the point of getting vaccinated then? I shouldn't have wasted my ****ing time. And I definitely won't go going for the so-called booster.
Well the vaccine significantly reduces the chance of being severely affected by Coronavirus. You sound a bit like an anti-vaxxer here.
 

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This is clearly satire. :lol:

(I would ask people to use the ;) smiley when posting in a satirical/jokey manner as this replaces tone of voice which would make it obvious when joking in person)


In theory yes, except of course anyone can self-certify an exemption so it is only compulsory if we choose to go along with it. I won't be.




It remains to be seen how it will be implemented
At least he did say it was temporary (review in 3 weeks). Even if it does go beyond 3 weeks, I don't think there is any danger of it becoming permanent. I was worried it would end up being permanent, before they dropped it in July.
 
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