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Donald Trump and the aftermath of his presidency

birchesgreen

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Many in in the Trump world (including the man himself) believe that he will be 'reinstated' as President in August
Yeah i heard about this the other day, apparently Sidney Powell is convinced about it so obviously it must be true.
 
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I am wondering if things may start kicking off again before long. There seem to be a number of cases of partisan Republicans looking for errors in voting totals: Maricopa County being the most prominent at the moment. It is quite possible that they will find some errors, even if the scrutineers don’t create them themselves by error or malicious act. This will immediately set the Trump supporters/nutters off and inflame them, even if the number is so small that it has no effect on the result.
 

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It's been a while since we needed this thread but I was intrigued as to what he is up to these days. It seems he likes to release statements (often several) daily in order to 'bigly' himself up and he still cannot get over the election result. These ones are just from the last 48 hours....

What a joke. The problem is, a lot of America doesn't see this as a joke!
 

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He's running out of money so needs to start raising funds again. Seems it is very easy to raise funds through donations, even if you siphon off half the money for other things. Just bung something in the small print and it's all good.
 

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Unless a federal court grants Trump his wish for Twitter to restore his account (reasonable assumption - not gonna happen) then Trump isn't going to become the 47th president. He needs Twitter quite badly in order to have any chance of success. His behaviour on January 6th all but ensured that outlet will remain permanently closed to him.
 

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Another fact to remember about Trump is, for all our focus on Biden's age, Trump is also old and only slightly younger. There's every possibility Trump will have health problems come 2024 that would hinder an election campaign, especially as he doesn't really boast a healthy lifestyle.
 

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Unless a federal court grants Trump his wish for Twitter to restore his account (reasonable assumption - not gonna happen) then Trump isn't going to become the 47th president. He needs Twitter quite badly in order to have any chance of success. His behaviour on January 6th all but ensured that outlet will remain permanently closed to him.
Quite, that was by far his biggest megaphone so to speak; that it took inciting a insurrection at the Capitol for the ban hammer to finally fall is simultaneously unsurprising, terrifying and revealing. Without it, his chances of reelection are slim at best. We can but hope at least.

Another fact to remember about Trump is, for all our focus on Biden's age, Trump is also old and only slightly younger. There's every possibility Trump will have more health problems come 2024 that would hinder an election campaign, especially as he doesn't really boast a healthy lifestyle.
Amended that for you. You'd think he was having a mini-stroke every time he slurs his words.
 

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The anniversary of the storming of the Capitol seems a moment for sombre reflection. Trump wasn't impeached and hasn't gone away. 60% of Republican party members believe the lie that the election was stolen. They are capturing the party machinery and ensuring that candidates are true believers. Republican state legislatures are dismantling the mechanisms for independent oversight of elections. Biden is increasingly unpopular. Could the unthinkable happen and we get Trump II and the creation of an autocratic dynasty that keeps itself in power by fixing elections? I thought the US constitution was too strong for that, but now I am wondering.
 

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The anniversary of the storming of the Capitol seems a moment for sombre reflection. Trump wasn't impeached and hasn't gone away. 60% of Republican party members believe the lie that the election was stolen. They are capturing the party machinery and ensuring that candidates are true believers. Republican state legislatures are dismantling the mechanisms for independent oversight of elections. Biden is increasingly unpopular. Could the unthinkable happen and we get Trump II and the creation of an autocratic dynasty that keeps itself in power by fixing elections? I thought the US constitution was too strong for that, but now I am wondering.
If that happens the world might as well give up on any hope for a good future. The world's biggest military in the hands of a fascist dictator has the end of the world written all over it.
 

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Could the unthinkable happen and we get Trump II and the creation of an autocratic dynasty that keeps itself in power by fixing elections? I thought the US constitution was too strong for that, but now I am wondering.
Could it happen? Yes. Is it likely to happen? I'm less sure about it now than I was a month or two ago. The fact that Trump has been booed several times by his "faithful" and the infighting that's starting to happen in the MAGA crowd gives me a little bit of confidence.
 

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Climate change denial is rife in the Republican Party. This lot will step up the race to the precipice - no matter which of them is leader.
 

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Could it happen? Yes. Is it likely to happen? I'm less sure about it now than I was a month or two ago. The fact that Trump has been booed several times by his "faithful" and the infighting that's starting to happen in the MAGA crowd gives me a little bit of confidence.
We go on a lot about how old Biden is, but we often forget Trump is only slightly younger, and I'd argue in poorer health than Biden, so I wouldn't rule out Trump not being in a good state to campaign in 2024. He also doesn't have Twitter available anymore which was a major part of his campaigning. None of this of course stops someone from emerging who has a similar mindset to Trump but is worse because they actually know what they're doing.
 

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Isn’t Trump going to launch his own social media platform (presuming that is similar to Twitter: I have no idea what all these terms mean) next month called Truth Social. At least half of that is untrue, but then so will the content be.
 

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Isn’t Trump going to launch his own social media platform (presuming that is similar to Twitter: I have no idea what all these terms mean) next month called Truth Social. At least half of that is untrue, but then so will the content be.
Truth Social won't gain him worldwide attention. Fox will be interested, but I'd imagine Trump is so desperate for finances that he'd probably paywall it, which would end up cutting off its attention. Otherwise, only GB News would really give a toss.
 

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If he wasn't for being under the age of 35 by a long way, I wouldn't put it passed a sizeable chunk of the US population voting for Kyle Rittenhouse as President, and getting endorsed by Trump if the latter wasn't able to stand.
 

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Trump's social media platrom will have one problem, it will only have either people who have the same views or people who want to see what they are saying on there (like journalists). His followers will hate the fact that there will be no one with different views to them that they can put down and preach hate to, son inevitably it will fail.

Personally I think it would be a great place to spam with news stories against trum to see how long his "free speech" platform tolerates "free speech", I guess not very long.
 

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Trump won't stand in 2024. He'll be purposely vague to his base to make them think he will, and continue to fund raise keeping the grift alive for as long as he can. I am sure he'll seek to support someone else in his family, but depending on possible legal cases, he may well just back someone else as long as he can get in on a grift there too.

All signs are that Trump is gradually losing his grip, not helped by defending the vaccine, and the cultists will latch on to someone else between the mid terms and 2024. The question is who is crazy enough; but there seem to be a fair few candidates.
 

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The 2020 presidential election was stolen from Trump consequent to a US Supreme Court decision to allow states such as Pennsylvania to count absentee ballots (in UK parlance postal votes) received up to 3 days after the close of polls, which is certainly not permitted in the UK. However, he would have been wiser to have accepted the flawed result with good grace, and followed the motto "don't get angry, get even". The Washington protest on 6/1/21 got out of hand and doesn't put him or his supporters in a good light. His VP (Pence) handled the situation better.
 

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The 2020 presidential election was stolen from Trump consequent to a US Supreme Court decision to allow states such as Pennsylvania to count absentee ballots (in UK parlance postal votes) received up to 3 days after the close of polls, which is certainly not permitted in the UK. However, he would have been wiser to have accepted the flawed result with good grace, and followed the motto "don't get angry, get even". The Washington protest on 6/1/21 got out of hand and doesn't put him or his supporters in a good light. His VP (Pence) handled the situation better.
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An attempted putsch = "got a bit out of hand". You are right, of course, that Trump should have accepted his defeat with good grace. Why? Because he lost.
 
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The 2020 presidential election was stolen from Trump consequent to a US Supreme Court decision to allow states such as Pennsylvania to count absentee ballots (in UK parlance postal votes) received up to 3 days after the close of polls, which is certainly not permitted in the UK
States run elections. The states certified their results. End of story.
 

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If you've not already listened to The Coming Storm on BBC Sounds then I suggest doing so. Good approximation of how US politics reached its current state of extreme polarisation. You may finish the series feeling slightly unsettled.. that's a good thing imo, the entire planet should be concerned.

The Coming Storm - BBC Sounds
 

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If you've not already watched the 2006 b movie 'Idiocracy' then I suggest doing so.

Actually no, just watch news of the Trump era! ;)
 

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The 2020 presidential election was stolen from Trump consequent to a US Supreme Court decision to allow states such as Pennsylvania to count absentee ballots (in UK parlance postal votes) received up to 3 days after the close of polls, which is certainly not permitted in the UK. However, he would have been wiser to have accepted the flawed result with good grace, and followed the motto "don't get angry, get even". The Washington protest on 6/1/21 got out of hand and doesn't put him or his supporters in a good light. His VP (Pence) handled the situation better.
Firstly, 'not permitted in the UK' - as if just because we don't allow it, no-one else should. For a start, we are a small compact nation; the US has large cities and expanses of nothingness in between. there are whole counties smaller than the average village in this country. I bet their post is reliable, next day delivery! I also assume that these absentee ballots were counted whoever they were for, and not just for Biden.
Also 'a US Supreme Court decision' - members of which are politically appointed: by Bush sr (Rep) 1, Clinton (Dem) 1, Bush jr (Rep) 2. Obama (Dem) 2, Trump (Rep) 3. If he couldn't even get a Republican Supreme Court to dismiss these postal ballots then either they made the right decision or he displayed incompetence in his appointments, in which case he is best left on the golf courses of Florida and far away from the seat of power.
 

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