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Yes, Abbey Wood - Heathrow, is mentioned above.So no Shenfield - Reading services? What about Abbey Wood - Heathrow?
Yes, Abbey Wood - Heathrow, is mentioned above.So no Shenfield - Reading services? What about Abbey Wood - Heathrow?
Most trains from Shenfield will terminate at Paddington. I think (but it might have changed) that the two to T5 will come from Shenfield and that's it
I don't think it's ever said 'line' during these announcements, even during TfL Rail days in the west. I could be wrong though!The "it's 'Elizabeth line' because it's a mode" argument has been taken to new heights by whoever removed the word "line" after all the other lines even in the audio announcements onboard the trains: https://twitter.com/callummarius/status/1525064634839060480
(Link to a video of the announcement which says "Next station Tottenham Court Road, change for Central and Northern")
(The correct way for announcing an interchange to a different mode would be "Next station Tottenham Court Road, change for London Underground Central and Northern lines" as used on London Overground)
It seems they are already available at some stations. not sure which onesAs for the limited edition of the Elizabeth Line Oyster Card, is it possible to buy the Oyster Card via ticket vending machine at any Zone 1 LU stations before the time of the first train depart on 24 May?
Reading is never going to have a 10tph Crossrail service, more like 2tph off peak.This is surely a mistake isn't it. I thought 10tph of the trains from the east would go towards reading with 2tph going to Heathrow
Really? Does that ultimately mean 1tph Reading to Abbey Wood and 1tph Reading to Shenfield?Most of the speculation I'd seen suggested that will be the situation during the peaks, but off peak each western destination all alternate between Abbey Wood and Shenfield.
Which wouldn't meet the stipulations of the Canary Wharf funding and the required Canary Wharf - Heathrow service levels, so take the speculation with a pinch of salt...Most of the speculation I'd seen suggested that will be the situation during the peaks, but off peak each western destination all alternate between Abbey Wood and Shenfield.
at approx-0830 there will be an interview with TfL Commissioner Andy Byford at Liverpool Street
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0017849/breakfast-13052022. Skip to 2:31 in.Is there a recording of this interview, or the BBC Breakfast report today on the Elizabeth Line, anywhere online?
Sure - and if that's done the money Canary Wharf Group spent on the station there to get a Heathrow link can be repaid too.I presume that the Canary Wharf Group coughed up in order to get the Abbey Wood branch to hog the Heathrow trains, but is there a time limit in the contract after which the Heathrow trains might be switched to the Shenfield branch?
That may be one of the reasons, but it's also worth noting that Shenfield-Reading/Heathrow services import a significant performance risk by crossing between Network Rail regions with effectively zero buffer.I presume that the Canary Wharf Group coughed up in order to get the Abbey Wood branch to hog the Heathrow trains, but is there a time limit in the contract after which the Heathrow trains might be switched to the Shenfield branch?
That's a London-centric view though. People in, say, Maidenhead might have a different opinion. There's no tube in Maidenhead and the class 345 trains are already their local service - they're 'the train'. They're not going to call it 'the tube' from the 24th.Elizabeth line: London unveils new Tube line, 10 stories underground
The sooner TfL stop insisting on this as a separate mode the better, very few will not see the Elizabeth line as part of the Underground
Especially as they will continue to get a relatively sparse service vs the coreThat's a London-centric view though. People in, say, Maidenhead might have a different opinion. There's no tube in Maidenhead and the class 345 trains are already their local service - they're 'the train'. They're not going to call it 'the tube' from the 24th.
Is this a purely academic question?I presume that the Canary Wharf Group coughed up in order to get the Abbey Wood branch to hog the Heathrow trains, but is there a time limit in the contract after which the Heathrow trains might be switched to the Shenfield branch?
Sure - and if that's done the money Canary Wharf Group spent on the station there to get a Heathrow link can be repaid too.
Okay, but if ten years down the line they want to run trains every 5 minutes on each eastern branch and every 7.5 minutes to Heathrow, the contractual obligation would be very inconvenient.Is this a purely academic question?
Otherwise it should be glaringly obvious which branch will have a higher demand for direct trains to Heathrow
AIUI, Abbey Wood - Maidenhead/Reading commences in Winter '22.If Shenfield to Paddington and Abbey Wood to Heathrow/Reading represents the end goal of the service, what exactly is there to do after Autumn? Just the frequency bump?
To everyone’s delight, wifi and 4G will also be available on every train.
Does anyone know?It seems they are already available at some stations. not sure which ones
Tottenham Court Road, according to social media.Does anyone know?
Obviously I'm not privy to the contract, but I would have thought it would specify something like a minimum through service e.g. 4 tph. There wouldn't be a restriction on operating from Shenfield as well, the restriction is demand and line capacityAre you saying there is no time limit on the obligation to tie Heathrow to Abbey Wood?
Okay, but if ten years down the line they want to run trains every 5 minutes on each eastern branch and every 7.5 minutes to Heathrow, the contractual obligation would be very inconvenient.
Wasn't the final service pattern for reading 4 off peak /4 peak with a further 2 trains in the peak from MaidenheadReading is never going to have a 10tph Crossrail service, more like 2tph off peak.
I thought that 2 Reading / 2 Maidenhead off-peak and 4 Reading / 2 Maidenhead peak was the eventual plan. Obviously, any cancellation of off-peak GWR services on the relief line could change the balance.Wasn't the final service pattern for reading 4 off peak /4 peak with a further 2 trains in the peak from Maidenhead
You're right I was getting the Maidenhead and readings mixed up . Although the two peak readings are replaced by GwR services off peak meaning some stations like Hayes and Harlington would get a higher frequency off peak than peakI thought that 2 Reading / 2 Maidenhead off-peak and 4 Reading / 2 Maidenhead peak was the eventual plan. Obviously, any cancellation of off-peak GWR services on the relief line could change the balance.
45 months ago, this was conjecture about the eventual service.
https://londonist.com/london/transport/how-frequently-will-crossrail-trains-run
However, there have been suggestions that some sort of recast is needed on the west side.
Another perspective of the eventual service was presented on London Reconnections at a similar time to that Londonist article.I thought that 2 Reading / 2 Maidenhead off-peak and 4 Reading / 2 Maidenhead peak was the eventual plan. Obviously, any cancellation of off-peak GWR services on the relief line could change the balance.
45 months ago, this was conjecture about the eventual service.
https://londonist.com/london/transport/how-frequently-will-crossrail-trains-run
However, there have been suggestions that some sort of recast is needed on the west side.
Any links please?Tottenham Court Road, according to social media.
A reply from TfL:Any links please?
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