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This is the path for testing/training runs to Penarth next week. The 769 is due in Penarth around 3pm, but there's no guarantee it will run to Penarth on any day, as it's a 'runs as required' path. Although it ran to Penarth on 3 days last week.

Thanks, I shall have to take a walk down there (checking first to see if it's actually running, of course).
 
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As a former TL commuter (Peckham-Farringdon), now living in Penarth, this is a very strange sight! How often do they get down to here? One of the advantages of the work from home regime is the opportunity to go for a casual local walk during the day! :D

I doubt we shall the 'Q' paths at all this week as the poster of Post #894 is very reliable source of information on the 769
 

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Another 2 runs up and 2 runs down today. It's encouraging to finally see regular testing and training commencing after so many set backs and false starts.
 

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Can anyone tell me the current status of 769426 please...? Thanks either way :)
 

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Can anyone tell me the current status of 769426 please...? Thanks either way :)

It is still awaiting delivery. Source from Facebook states a few months off for some reason.
An updated list can be found on Page 39 of the Transport for Wales livery topic

 
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Daily testing/training seems to be continuing. Anyone know how well it's going? Any timescales to get the first into service?
 

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Lately 769002 and 769003 have been out so i wonder if they are pushing to get these 2 into service too although these 2 don't seem to have as much issues as 008 has had.

I wonder if they might have a slow quiet entry into service say just peak diagrams like the 37s did till more of the 769s are ready
 

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Lately 769002 and 769003 have been out so i wonder if they are pushing to get these 2 into service too although these 2 don't seem to have as much issues as 008 has had.

I wonder if they might have a slow quiet entry into service say just peak diagrams like the 37s did till more of the 769s are ready
What is 'peak time' now though? If a report I saw on Wales Today about people abandoning the traditional office commute and it's impact on travel a couple of weeks back is still correct, the traditional peak time morning services are almost empty, with trains later in the day and at weekends now being busier than early morning pre-9am trains.
 
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That is true for now but only 1 in 4 can work from home and thousands are still on furlough. We have no idea what the future will bring and what commuting will look like. I think a December timetable introduction will be logical
 

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That is true for now but only 1 in 4 can work from home and thousands are still on furlough. We have no idea what the future will bring and what commuting will look like. I think a December timetable introduction will be logical
And even if that continues big if you will still have all school pupils ect and people going places at 9 so they still won't be dead
 

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The 769s have been unable to run over the last couple of days due to a problem with the bridge at the south end of Queen St station and which requires Network Rail to carry out some work. This applies to freight trains also but 142s, 143s, 150s and 153s are able to run. I cn't provide any further details at the moment as I only picked it up from Facebook
 

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The 769s have been unable to run over the last couple of days due to a problem with the bridge at the south end of Queen St station and which requires Network Rail to carry out some work. This applies to freight trains also but 142s, 143s, 150s and 153s are able to run. I cn't provide any further details at the moment as I only picked it up from Facebook
003 ran from Bargoed to Ystrad Mynach Signal CF7420 all day on Thursday, presumably due to the bridge? https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/60079/2020-10-01/detailed
 

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008 was out for a new engine. It was fitted yesterday.

426 out for the foreseeable due to deformation in the chassis of the host 319 vehicle. It’ll be over in due course but likely December.

Tuesday evening 003 is planned to come down to Canton ex Rhymney.
 

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008 was out for a new engine. It was fitted yesterday.
A new engine?! Don't they all have 'new engines'? Any ideas what was wrong with the other engine?

Rumour mill now is that the fuel range is nowhere near the original prediction.
 

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sounds like they are burning through more fuel than predicted. I fo wonder if its because the engines are working harder than porterbrook first thought.

Perhaps class 230s might have been a better idea
 

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I would echo that. The first two Bidston 230 are there and handed over, the third one is on long distance testing and the other two well on the way. They would have been in service by now.
 

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sounds like they are burning through more fuel than predicted. I fo wonder if its because the engines are working harder than porterbrook first thought.

Perhaps class 230s might have been a better idea
Have they fixed the issue where the engines were idling at full speed in the platforms? That certainly wouldn't have helped with fuel consumption.
 

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A new engine?! Don't they all have 'new engines'? Any ideas what was wrong with the other engine?

Rumour mill now is that the fuel range is nowhere near the original prediction.

They were all fitted with new engines, but fuel system on 008 was damaged by human error and required raft removal to repair. Raft swapped under warranty as it was easier and customers preference.

Fuel consumption is to be confirmed. They should do 600 miles to a tank but initial projection is that they're potentially doing around 500 miles to a tank. This is unsubstantiated at this time as detailed investigations haven't been completed yet.

Not aware of a fleet-wide issue with fast idle in platforms either current or historic, other than some local issues as discussed above.
 

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They were all fitted with new engines, but fuel system on 008 was damaged by human error and required raft removal to repair. Raft swapped under warranty as it was easier and customers preference.

Fuel consumption is to be confirmed. They should do 600 miles to a tank but initial projection is that they're potentially doing around 500 miles to a tank. This is unsubstantiated at this time as detailed investigations haven't been completed yet.

Not aware of a fleet-wide issue with fast idle in platforms either current or historic, other than some local issues as discussed above.

Interesting that they should do 600 miles, when Pacers can do 800. I'm not sure what the average day for a Pacer would be, but if they are only doing around 500, that would be tight for a full days work. Where are the 769's planned to be stabled? Canton or Rhymney?
Any idea what the projections are based on? If it's the current test runs, these are without the weight of passengers on board, so the unless the projection takes that into account, it could be even less than 500 miles with the extra weight.
 

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Interesting that they should do 600 miles, when Pacers can do 800. I'm not sure what the average day for a Pacer would be, but if they are only doing around 500, that would be tight for a full days work. Where are the 769's planned to be stabled? Canton or Rhymney?
Any idea what the projections are based on? If it's the current test runs, these are without the weight of passengers on board, so the unless the projection takes that into account, it could be even less than 500 miles with the extra weight.

I should think they would be stabled at each location as there would have to be something at Rhymney to cover early starters.
 

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Interesting that they should do 600 miles, when Pacers can do 800. I'm not sure what the average day for a Pacer would be, but if they are only doing around 500, that would be tight for a full days work. Where are the 769's planned to be stabled? Canton or Rhymney?
Any idea what the projections are based on? If it's the current test runs, these are without the weight of passengers on board, so the unless the projection takes that into account, it could be even less than 500 miles with the extra weight.
A typical Valley Lines diagram is 300-400 miles so a Pacer can comfortably do two days and stable one night in Rhymney or Treherbert. I wonder how big the fuel tanks are on the 769s? A class 150 will take around 1600 litres per car and do 1600 miles between fuel stops.
 

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A typical Valley Lines diagram is 300-400 miles so a Pacer can comfortably do two days and stable one night in Rhymney or Treherbert. I wonder how big the fuel tanks are on the 769s? A class 150 will take around 1600 litres per car and do 1600 miles between fuel stops.

The two fuel tanks on a 769 have a capacity of 1000 litres (220 gallons) each.
 
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