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one of the Wessex diagrams previously the domain of either a 150 or 158 is now solely in the hands of a 166. however a 158 has appeared on it at least twice:
5V66 1415 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Bristol Temple Meads
2V66 1440 Bristol Temple Meads to Great Malvern
5C28 1630 Great Malvern to Great Malvern
2C28 1644 Great Malvern to Bristol Temple Meads
5C28 1843 Bristol Temple Meads to St Philips Mrsh H S T D
Not sure what it does in the day before coming of SPM.
 
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one of the Wessex diagrams previously the domain of either a 150 or 158 is now solely in the hands of a 166. however a 158 has appeared on it at least twice:
5V66 1415 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Bristol Temple Meads
2V66 1440 Bristol Temple Meads to Great Malvern
5C28 1630 Great Malvern to Great Malvern
2C28 1644 Great Malvern to Bristol Temple Meads
5C28 1843 Bristol Temple Meads to St Philips Mrsh H S T D
Not sure what it does in the day before coming of SPM.

No significance at all. This is just a COVID reduced Timetable STP alteration and not permanent at all

165134 is believed to be the first 165 working on the Exmouth to Paignton route today. (Saturday 06 March)
 
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No significance at all. This is just a COVID reduced Timetable STP alteration and not permanent at all

165134 is believed to be the first 165 working on the Exmouth to Paignton route today. (Saturday 06 March)
Saw that today too, left Exeter for Exmouth some time around 8pm.
 

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No significance at all. This is just a COVID reduced Timetable STP alteration and not permanent at all

165134 is believed to be the first 165 working on the Exmouth to Paignton route today. (Saturday 06 March)
Pretty sure a 2 car 165 worked a couple of Tuesdays ago.
Saw it parked in Goodrington and then into Paignton after the 10.20? X Country departed.
 

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Pretty sure a 2 car 165 worked a couple of Tuesdays ago.
Saw it parked in Goodrington and then into Paignton after the 10.20? X Country departed.

That is the regular training run that goes into Goodrington and that is a 165
 

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No significance at all. This is just a COVID reduced Timetable STP alteration and not permanent at all

165134 is believed to be the first 165 working on the Exmouth to Paignton route today. (Saturday 06 March)

So apart from Cornwall, that means the 165s operate on all parts of the GWR franchise area? (Devon, Bristol, Cardiff-Portsmouth and the Thames valley)
 

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So apart from Cornwall, that means the 165s operate on all parts of the GWR franchise area? (Devon, Bristol, Cardiff-Portsmouth and the Thames valley)

i don’t believe they go beyond Cardiff towards Swansea and Pembroke or beyond Worcester to Hereford, other than that I don’t think there’s much of the GWR network that don’t see Turbos. Possibly Pewsey - Reading now?
 

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i don’t believe they go beyond Cardiff towards Swansea and Pembroke or beyond Worcester to Hereford, other than that I don’t think there’s much of the GWR network that don’t see Turbos. Possibly Pewsey - Reading now?

Obviously those you listed are only served by 800s
There's still booked 165 work from Reading to Bedwyn
 

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Pretty sure a 2 car 165 worked a couple of Tuesdays ago.
Saw it parked in Goodrington and then into Paignton after the 10.20? X Country departed.
As also said in post #937, there has been training runs in operation between Exeter and Paignton (Goodrington) and from what I know the 165 has been the unit being used on that so that is most likely what you saw the 165 doing...
 

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They’re definitely cleared to Hereford, although it’s unlikely you’d get one there now that Worcester crews have had them taken off their traction cards. The only diagrammed work over the Cotswolds is the 2 North Cotswolds “halts” trains, and the Malvern/Worcester - Bristol & Beyond services.

You could do it with an Oxford driver and Reading guard though....

Elsewise on the GWR Network there isn’t much east of Plymouth they can’t work. There has been at least one occasion in recent times where (unsuccessful) efforts were made to run a Bristol - Paddington train with a 6 car Turbo when high speed division were particularly short of pointy-nosed Japanese trains... Yet they say we’d rather cancel trains and put people on buses....
 
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There has been at least one occasion in recent times where (unsuccessful) efforts were made to run a Bristol - Paddington train with a 6 car Turbo when high speed division were particularly short of pointy-nosed Japanese trains... Yet they say we’d rather cancel trains and put people on buses....
Yes, RRBs is the easy option and unfortunately Covid has made it a lot easier to 'get away' with defaulting to that. I note there weren't any Marylebone or Waterloo diversions yesterday, for instance!
 
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Way back in 2017, on weekdays the 0821 Paddington - Hereford was booked a 6-car 166. This service used to split at Worcester (& hence could not be HST) with the Hereford unit returning on 1209 Hereford - Paddington.
 

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Yes, RRBs is the easy option and unfortunately Covid has made it a lot easier to 'get away' with defaulting to that. I note there weren't any Marylebone or Waterloo diversions yesterday, for instance!

No, although as a counter to that; IETs are not yet route cleared to either Waterloo or Marylebone; and diversions would either require route conducting or extensive route learning; neither of which are particularly practical during the pandemic.

I’m also not sure either route was available - there were no Chiltern services to Oxford or SWR services to Reading all day yesterday
 

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Just for info, a rare bit of 4 car 165 action today in Devon, 2T07 0655 Exmouth to Paignton from Exeter will be a 4 car 165, with return working 2F11 0848 Paignton to Exmouth formed 4 car 165 as far as Exeter St Davids.
 

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Just for info, a rare bit of 4 car 165 action today in Devon, 2T07 0655 Exmouth to Paignton from Exeter will be a 4 car 165, with return working 2F11 0848 Paignton to Exmouth formed 4 car 165 as far as Exeter St Davids.
That is really interesting because yesterday I drove past Torre station yesterday at 08.20 and some 200+ children were walking along the Newton Road having emerged from the station's narrow exit/entrance. I might try and get to Paignton to see if it's 2 units as I cannot find a four car 165 on the database website.

It's a narrow pavement and no social distancing or masks. This must be a test superspreader event. I think if I was the guard I'd want a hazmat suit.
But it is a testament to the drawing power of Torquay's grammar schools. The first covid event in the southwest was in Torbay at Churston grammar (family returning from Italy) school and the health authorities were on top of it very quickly.

08.00 Just seen it go through Dawlish on the cam. Two units GWR livery.

Below 165134/132 at Paignton 08.30 this morning. Does not say on realtime that it's being uncoupled at St David's.
165134 and 132 at Paignton 08.30 10 march 2021.JPG
 
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It's a narrow pavement and no social distancing or masks. This must be a test superspreader event. I think if I was the guard I'd want a hazmat suit.
Covid doesn't spread very well outdoors or on windy days like yesterday. Now, the same happened indoors...
 

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That is really interesting because yesterday I drove past Torre station yesterday at 08.20 and some 200+ children were walking along the Newton Road having emerged from the station's narrow exit/entrance. I might try and get to Paignton to see if it's 2 units as I cannot find a four car 165 on the database website.

It's a narrow pavement and no social distancing or masks. This must be a test superspreader event. I think if I was the guard I'd want a hazmat suit.
But it is a testament to the drawing power of Torquay's grammar schools. The first covid event in the southwest was in Torbay at Churston grammar (family returning from Italy) school and the health authorities were on top of it very quickly.

08.00 Just seen it go through Dawlish on the cam. Two units GWR livery.

Below 165134/132 at Paignton 08.30 this morning. Does not say on realtime that it's being uncoupled at St David's.
Because of an earlier failure in the Bristol area, the stock for the service came down 2 car 165 vice 3 car 166, to avoid any issues with the heavilly loaded train you mention, the spare 165 at Exeter Depot was used to make it up to 4 cars. I am not aware of any other time a pair of turbos have worked south of Exeter, but am willing to be corrected.

RTT will only show a detachment if it was planned in the working timetable, unless it shows actual allocations, which obviously it doesn't for RTT.

4 car 165 formations are not permitted to Exmouth, hence it only doing the Paignton leg.
 

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The turbo cars are 23m long, whereas the 150s are 20m.
So 12m difference for a 4 car train.
Out of interest, where don't they fit on the Exmouth branch? It feels like a useful combination to be able to run every now and then, such as this situation to avoid 2 car vice 3, it's a shame it doesn't work.
 

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Out of interest, where don't they fit on the Exmouth branch? It feels like a useful combination to be able to run every now and then, such as this situation to avoid 2 car vice 3, it's a shame it doesn't work.
From the Sectional Appendix:

Polsloe Bridge - 184m
Digby & Sowton - 109m
Newcourt - 124m
Topsham - 138m (Down); 123m (Up)
Exton - 128m
Lympstone Commando - 64m
Lympstone Village - 90m
Exmouth - 119m

With 2x 150 at 80m and 2x 165 at 92m.

I imagine the problem is that you can’t do local door only opening at the two Lympstone stations because there is no inter-unit gangway like there is on the 150s. I don’t know the new lengths of the platforms at St. James’ Park though similar probably applies there.
 

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From the Sectional Appendix:

Polsloe Bridge - 184m
Digby & Sowton - 109m
Newcourt - 124m
Topsham - 138m (Down); 123m (Up)
Exton - 128m
Lympstone Commando - 64m
Lympstone Village - 90m
Exmouth - 119m

With 2x 150 at 80m and 2x 165 at 92m.

I imagine the problem is that you can’t do local door only opening at the two Lympstone stations because there is no inter-unit gangway like there is on the 150s. I don’t know the new lengths of the platforms at St. James’ Park though similar probably applies there.
Could the problem lie with St James Park which is the shortest of the lot ?
 

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Could the problem lie with St James Park which is the shortest of the lot ?
Perhaps, I haven’t been through the station in a couple of weeks so I’m not sure if the platform extensions have been commissioned yet, though should get a chance to check this weekend.
 

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St James' Park is about 86m (can't remember exact length), there is no instruction on the stop board either about "Driver do not release doors" on 16x traction, as there is at say for exmaple Avoncliff, which I assume is the reason.

Back to the normal single 166 on the turn tomorrow anyway.
 

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I believe the extensions at St James and Lympstone Commando have been commissioned. A new repeating signal has also been commissioned to give advance warning of Exmouth Junction route to give a higher speed limit.
 

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