Class 43 disposals

Domh245 · 6 Mar 2021

Interesting that the buffered locos had just languished in that pool rather than being moved to a storage one. Doesn't give as much away either

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43096 · 6 Mar 2021

Domh245 said:
What pool had they been sat in between finishing at EMR and the move to SXCL? Have they just been moved from one stored loco pool to another?

43208/296 had been in SCEL (Angel Train stored locos at Ely), the 6 434xx hadn't been transferred out of the EMPC pool.

ExRes · 6 Mar 2021

43096 said:
43208/296 had been in SCEL (Angel Train stored locos at Ely), the 6 434xx hadn't been transferred out of the EMPC pool.

I think that should be 308 rather than 208

43096 · 6 Mar 2021

ExRes said:
I think that should be 308 rather than 208

Yes. Brain/finger interface trouble! :oops:

Shuttle · 7 Mar 2021

Will be interesting to see what becomes of these. As I alluded to on the HST Coach disposals thread, there can't be much MK3 Coaching stock left for power cars like this to work any more. Sadly I feel it's only a matter of time until big numbers of 43s hit the scrap. Do love the HST, but it is what it is.

DustyBin · 7 Mar 2021

TT-ONR-NRN said:
Have these ones at Eastleigh been scrapped then? Do Eastleigh scrap or will they go from there to somewhere like Sims?

As I don’t think anybody has answered the second part of your question, scrapping takes place on-site at Eastleigh by Raxstar. They’re scrapping the 317s currently.

Jamesrob637 · 7 Mar 2021

Sadly, I think large numbers of 43s will be history by the time we ring in the New Year 2022.

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ExRes · 9 Mar 2021

ExRes said:
SCXL may not be a brand new fresh out of the box pool code but it is now 'Angel Trains/Hanson & Hall Power Cars' and contains no other power cars whatsoever

SCXL now appears to have been renamed 'Angel Trains Hire Locomotives' and has had the damaged 43140 added to it

TrainTrackJack · 9 Mar 2021

43140? Surely that will be taken off reg soon and the remains cut

ExRes said:
SCXL now appears to have been renamed 'Angel Trains Hire Locomotives' and has had the damaged 43140 added to it

43096 · 9 Mar 2021

ExRes said:
SCXL now appears to have been renamed 'Angel Trains Hire Locomotives' and has had the damaged 43140 added to it

It hasn’t been renamed. It has always been the Angel Trains stored locomotives pool.

43 302 · 9 Mar 2021

What makes more sense, that 43140 has been miraculously fixed and is being hired, or that WNXX is wrong and 43140 is off lease. Side note: perhaps the fact that 43030 hasn't also been added shows the potential for it to be repaired?

ExRes · 9 Mar 2021

And then again perhaps it's a paper exercise prior to parts retrieval and scrapping

DB · 9 Mar 2021

There may well be no usable parts to recover from 43140 given the scale of the damage (particularly fire damage).

WNXX also notes that:

43056 43069 43078 43087 43193 & 43197, all currently in store at Long Marston, have been reallocated from the SBXL store pool back to the GWR EFPC pool.

What's that about then?

43 302 · 9 Mar 2021

DavidB said:
There may well be no usable parts to recover from 43140 given the scale of the damage (particularly fire damage).

WNXX also notes that:

What's that about then?

More castle sets? Or just wrong?

Edit: it's not wrong.

James Vertigan · 11 Mar 2021

Good news if true. Would love to see 43197 back on GWR territory, particularly as my lottery numbers haven’t come up since it went off lease!

irish_rail · 11 Mar 2021

Hmm, the bit about the 6 power cars being reallocated to the GWR pool is particularly interesting, as I have heard from a fairly good source recently that precisely 6 power cars where to be converted shortly for use on the night riviera to replace the 57s. I discounted it at the time but this makes me wonder......

DB · 11 Mar 2021

irish_rail said:
Hmm, the bit about the 6 power cars being reallocated to the GWR pool is particularly interesting, as I have heard from a fairly good source recently that precisely 6 power cars where to be converted shortly for use on the night riviera to replace the 57s. I discounted it at the time but this makes me wonder......

43056 would be an odd choice - it and 43053 were always non-standard in the GWR fleet (new control electronics, which none of the others had although all other fleets did eventually - excluding Scotrail which are of course all ex-GWR).

43096 · 11 Mar 2021

irish_rail said:
Hmm, the bit about the 6 power cars being reallocated to the GWR pool is particularly interesting, as I have heard from a fairly good source recently that precisely 6 power cars where to be converted shortly for use on the night riviera to replace the 57s. I discounted it at the time but this makes me wonder......

It’s actually 7. 43196 is also back in the GWR pool.

Mack91 · 11 Mar 2021

43096 said:
It’s actually 7. 43196 is also back in the GWR pool.

Isn't that the spares donor?

43096 · 11 Mar 2021

Mack91 said:
Isn't that the spares donor?

No, it’s stored at Burton and was off lease.

Are you thinking of 43195 with accident damage?

Mack91 · 11 Mar 2021

43096 said:
No, it’s stored at Burton and was off lease.

Are you thinking of 43195 with accident damage?

Yes! Sorry got them mixed up

irish_rail · 11 Mar 2021

Crewing the 57 is becoming harder and harder as more and more drivers require training and its a 3 week course , whereas the vast majority of drivers in the southwest already sign HSTs so would probably pay for itself in the long term , not to mention increased reliability.
Personally itd be a shame as I like driving the 57 but I think power cars are inevitable on the sleeper now sooner or later.

PG · 11 Mar 2021

irish_rail said:
Personally itd be a shame as I like driving the 57 but I think power cars are inevitable on the sleeper now sooner or later

Would that be 2 per train to save the faffing about each end with separate locos for the ECS?

irish_rail · 11 Mar 2021

PG said:
Would that be 2 per train to save the faffing about each end with separate locos for the ECS?

Almost certainly, one power car in autumn on load 9 probably wouldn't be a great success.

St. Paddy · 11 Mar 2021

There would have to be generator coaches for the sleeper services, incompatible electric supply on the HSTs.

43096 · 11 Mar 2021

St. Paddy said:
There would have to be generator coaches for the sleeper services, incompatible electric supply on the HSTs.

There wouldn’t. Design work was done some time ago on a mod for power cars or stock to convert train supply. There was a proposal to use Mark 4 stock between power cars and the design was done for that.

DB · 11 Mar 2021

43096 said:
There wouldn’t. Design work was done some time ago on a mod for power cars or stock to convert train supply. There was a proposal to use Mark 4 stock between power cars and the design was done for that.

Surely as it's Mk3s here the most logical would be to convert the stock to 3-phase supply (or dual supply if they want to retain the ability to work with locos)? Otherwise they would be converting 3-phase to standard ETS and back to 3-phase again.

Would also allow all power cars to be used rather than a dedicated pool.

43096 · 11 Mar 2021

DavidB said:
Surely as it's Mk3s here the most logical would be to convert the stock to 3-phase supply (or dual supply if they want to retain the ability to work with locos)? Otherwise they would be converting 3-phase to standard ETS and back to 3-phase again.

Would also allow all power cars to be used rather than a dedicated pool.

You need to take the entire rake out of service to do it, though. I’d actually put the kit on the stock (BFO/BSO logically) so you could use any power car. Yes, they’ll still need to put 36-way cables through, but that can be done one vehicle at a time.

DB · 11 Mar 2021

43096 said:
You need to take the entire rake out of service to do it, though. I’d actually put the kit on the stock (BFO/BSO logically) so you could use any power car. Yes, they’ll still need to put 36-way cables through, but that can be done one vehicle at a time.

Couldn't they do one at a time if they dual-wired them? Royal train seems to be done that way.

43096 · 11 Mar 2021

DavidB said:
Couldn't they do one at a time if they dual-wired them? Royal train seems to be done that way.

They could. But easier to put one box in one coach to convert than to re-wire the entire fleet.

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