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Over the last 50 years, there are many examples of countries building new lines using standard gauge where their existing lines don't use standard gauge, or alternatively converting, or attempting to convert, some or all of their existing lines to standard gauge.

Use of standard gauge instead of a significantly narrower gauge (e.g. metre or 3'6") has advantages, particularly in terms of higher possible speed, as in Japan. However, some of these gauge conversions run out of steam, e.g. in the Peloponnese region of Greece, and aren't completed or lead to abandonment where the line can't be converted easily.

I don't understand countries that build new standard gauge lines where their existing gauge is wider and/or there is limited connectivity to other countries using standard gauge. Examples are Spain and the Baltic states (with the Rail Baltica project), given their limited support of rail since becoming independent.

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Spain and the Baltics are both examples of long term EU ambitions to harmonize, standardise and better connect EU states. India has changed its mind a couple of times in whether to build its new high speed lines to standard gauge or not.
 

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I don't understand countries that build new standard gauge lines where their existing gauge is wider and/or there is limited connectivity to other countries using standard gauge. Examples are Spain and the Baltic states (with the Rail Baltica project), given their limited support of rail since becoming independent.
As the Baltics were dominated in turn by Russia and Germany, many of their lines were re-gauged several times over the years. As far as I know they have no plans to convert their existing routes to standard gauge. These are predominantly east-west and carry a lot of freight between Russia and its neighbours, and the enclave of Kaliningrad as well as various ice-free ports. Rail Baltica provides a north-south axis to Poland and beyond, where the lines are all to standard gauge.

Two examples each within one country, but widely enough separated that if they had been in Europe they would be in different countries:

The Australian states adopted various different gauges for various reasons, but probably thinking they would never be interconnected through the outback. But now all states are linked by standard gauge, although they retain their own gauges for shorter-distance services.

Back in the 19th century many American railways were built to various broad gauges, particularly in the south where they also tended to connect a port to its hinterland rather than forming through routes. The resulting inability to move troops and supplies easily when the Union blockaded the ports was one reason why the Confederacy lost the civil war, and the railways were mostly converted to standard after that.
 

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Whilst not about the track gauge, it's a similar story in Belgium regarding lines being electrified. Traditionally Belgium has used 3000V DC, but recently electrified lines have used 25kV AC instead - this meant that there were a few years of DMUs running under the wires in the south of the country whilst new dual-voltage EMUs were being built.
 

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In Ireland the railways are all built to 5' 3" gauge yet the Luas in Dublin was built to the standard 4' 8.5" gauge. No, me neither.

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The Australian states adopted various different gauges for various reasons, but probably thinking they would never be interconnected through the outback. But now all states are linked by standard gauge, although they retain their own gauges for shorter-distance services.
It's even more silly than that - a long story, but in summary: the colonial administrations did genuinely attempt to settle on adopting one standard gauge, but they couldn't quite manage to all pick the same one at the same time so ultimately they all ended up picking different ones. It became an issue far sooner than might otherwise be thought; the first meeting of different gauges (4' 8.5" from Sydney and 5' 3" from Melbourne) occurred in 1883, and the second (4' 8.5" from Sydney and 3' 6" from Brisbane) in 1888. It was finally agreed (or perhaps re-agreed?) in 1921 that 4' 8.5" should be the single standard for interstate lines.

 

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I believe there's a lot of chinese investment in East Africa as part of it's New Silk Road intiative. As it's partly politics and partly economic influence that's the goal and China used Standard gauge on it's own lines, the new lines are built to Standard gauge regardless of previous existing gauges.
 

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In Ireland the railways are all built to 5' 3" gauge yet the Luas in Dublin was built to the standard 4' 8.5" gauge. No, me neither.
How much more would Alstom charge for a tram with all the running gear re-designed six inches wider, compared with the standard (ha!) design? And how likely would it be to introduce unreliability into an otherwise proven product? Tight curves in city streets are also more difficult on a wider gauge. There's no scope for through running onto the main line so it would simply be a waste of money.

I believe the reason for 5'3" was that three railways started building in Ireland at three different gauges, and a Royal Commission decided just to force them all to use the average value which wasn't the same as any of them. I'm not sure if the same ruling forced the original Dublin trams to adopt broad gauge too. And then, as above, the Irish gauge found its way to Australia.
 

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Spain is increasingly dual-gauging its broad gauge network as its mostly standard gauge high speed network grows.
Much of the Mediterranean coastal line is or will be dualled, and the same thing is happening in Galicia, where some early detached sections of new HS line were built in broad gauge (and used by dual-gauge stock).
The cross-border line to France in the Basque country will also be dualled, largely for freight trains.
The same thing might happen in Portugal when the HS route across the Spanish border is built.
They are also specialists in automatic gauge-changing technology for use at key points on the network.
Most new track is now laid as dual-gauge-ready to ease later regauging.

Many lines in eastern Europe were re-gauged multiple times during and after WW1 and WW2 to suit the invading military.
The "other" Galicia (eastern Poland and western Ukraine now) was built as standard gauge under Austrian rule.
There is quite extensive dual gauge infrastructure on both sides of the current borders, and some broad gauge freight lines still penetrate west into Poland/Slovakia.
 

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I don't understand countries that build new standard gauge lines where their existing gauge is wider and/or there is limited connectivity to other countries using standard gauge. Examples are Spain and the Baltic states (with the Rail Baltica project), given their limited support of rail since becoming independent.

Any comments?
Standard gauge has demonstrated that it can effectively cope with all traffic demands. For example, heavy haul up to 45 tonne axleloads, double stack containers, high speed (up to 574.8 km/h), double-deck commuter trains, metro, on-street tramway with tight curves.

A global supply chain can provide equipment to standard designs with economies of scale. So much simpler and cheaper than bespoke designs and kit.
 

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It's even more silly than that - a long story, but in summary: the colonial administrations did genuinely attempt to settle on adopting one standard gauge, but they couldn't quite manage to all pick the same one at the same time so ultimately they all ended up picking different ones.

By my understanding: biggest single factor in the above, the unfortunate doings between New South Wales; and Victoria / South Australia; in the very early days of Australian railways, in the 1850s. I find it a lamentable, but almost splendidly crazy, tale. If I have it rightly, initially all three colonies as they were then, were by agreement, to use four-eight-and-a-half standard gauge (seeing eventual linking-up). New South Wales then hired a new chief engineer -- Irish, I believe, so a great proponent of 5' 3": he persuaded the new rail administration to switch to said broad gauge. In order to stay in line and still have a unitary gauge, Victoria / South Aus. scrapped their initial standard-gauge material, and recommenced with 5' 3". NSW's chief engineer then left, after only briefly holding his post; and was replaced by an Englishman who was an even keener proponent of standard gauge, and who managed to make happen, a switch back again to standard gauge. At which point the two south-eastern colonies said in effect, in the local idiom, " ****** this, sport -- it's becoming totally mad. We're bloody sticking with 5' 3" now, and let the chips fall where they may !" And so things proceeded.

It became an issue far sooner than might otherwise be thought; the first meeting of different gauges (4' 8.5" from Sydney and 5' 3" from Melbourne) occurred in 1883, and the second (4' 8.5" from Sydney and 3' 6" from Brisbane) in 1888.

I gather that 3' 6" gauge coming additionally on the scene, made at any rate more sense than did the above business between the wider gauges -- 3' 6" was thought more suitable for (meaning no offence here) the wilder / more remote / more marginal parts of Australia. There's a highly "compressed" account of "three-gauge Australia -- how come?" in the book on Australia by Bill Bryson -- who basically looks with favour on rail transport; but being essentially a layman, not a railway enthusiast, he rather often fails fully to "get it" re railway matters. Having listed the three gauges with a brief hint at "how, where, and why": Bryson (always on the look-out for a poking-fun opportunity) writes: "South Australia, inventively, had all three." Which has indeed been the case; but not through mere weirdness. S.A. started early on, as above, with 5' 3"; as time went on and railways were projected in S.A.'s more outlying parts, 3' 6" gauge was used for such lines -- an understandable enough choice. In the early-ish 20th century, the Commonwealth Railways' standard-gauge line linking South, and Western, Australia came into being (opened throughout in 1917, I think).

It was finally agreed (or perhaps re-agreed?) in 1921 that 4' 8.5" should be the single standard for interstate lines.


Most interesting link; thank you. Attention particularly engaged by the map illustrating the suggestions for gauge-standardisation, of the 1945 Clapp Report. Interesting, that this project envisaged wiping-out of the 5' 3" gauge, all to be converted to standard; but retaining most of the 3' 6" in the wilder areas. Also, its seeing a standard-gauge link being created right up north to Darwin -- not, as has occurred "in real life", per standard-gauge up from the Trans-Australian route, north to Alice Springs and then to Birdum and Darwin: but with new construction way inland, starting-point Bourke in N.S.W., running northward into and through the Queensland outback to a meeting with the existing 3' 6" Townsville -- Mount Isa line; this line being converted throughout to s/g, plus new construction north-west from Mount Isa to Birdum -- southern terminus of the then Commonwealth 3' 6" line from Darwin, which would be standard-gauged. Some fascinating might-have-beens !
 

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In Ireland the railways are all built to 5' 3" gauge yet the Luas in Dublin was built to the standard 4' 8.5" gauge. No, me neither.

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This was to ensure that the rolling stock purchased could be "off the shelf" and not a bespoke design to suit the 5ft 3in requirements.

As LUAS and IE don't share infrastructure it's a non-issue anyway.
 

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Whilst not about the track gauge, it's a similar story in Belgium regarding lines being electrified. Traditionally Belgium has used 3000V DC, but recently electrified lines have used 25kV AC instead - this meant that there were a few years of DMUs running under the wires in the south of the country whilst new dual-voltage EMUs were being built.
It goes further than that, as we actually convert 3 kV= lines to 25 kV~.
This is being made possible by the fact that multisystem locos and EMUs are much easier and cheaper to build than they used to be. Their limited additional cost is more than compensated by the reduction of infrastructure costs. As of now, SNCB does not purchase anymore pure 3 kV= rolling stock.
The same cannot be said about the variable gauge rolling stock, and will probably never be.
 

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Spain and the Baltics are both examples of long term EU ambitions to harmonize, standardise and better connect EU states.

What alerted me to this issue is looking into what has happened to Estonian railways since independence in 1991 (significant railway closures and loss of connectivity) and is proposed for the future (the EU-promoted Rail Baltica line). This was prompted by the TV programme on Tuesday night on Railway Architecture, which focussed on the historic disused station at Haapsalu (as well as Bristol TM in the UK).

Introducing an additional gauge into the Baltic states will create problems and is an EU-driven political decision. The 5' gauge is widely used in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, so isn't an odd gauge for which rolling stock can't be purchased off the shelf. Sadly, the Rīgas Vagonbūves Rūpnīca (RVR) company that manufactured much 5' gauge rolling stock is no more.

PS I was not considering separate stand-alone tramways, for which a different gauge does not usually create problems. In the Baltic states, the Tallinn tramway uses a different gauge of 3'6" and that in Liepaja (Libau) is metre gauge; the other 2 Latvian tramways in Riga and Daugavpils (Dünaburg, Dvinsk) use 5' gauge. The only electric tramway in Lithuania in Klaipėda (Memel) was metre gauge, but closed over 50 years ago.
 
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I don't understand countries that build new standard gauge lines where their existing gauge is wider and/or there is limited connectivity to other countries using standard gauge. Examples are Spain and the Baltic states (with the Rail Baltica project), given their limited support of rail since becoming independent.

Is it that strange that countries with "limited connectivity to other countries" would want to improve that connectivity?

Also, having a standard gauge network makes it easier to buy rolling stock as it is more or less standard in many parts of the world. Especially if you are looking at the 2nd hand market. That is a reason for regauging in many cases, not only to standard gauge. The railways on Mallorca where regauged from 914 mm to 1000 mm for that reason if I'm not mistaken.

It goes further than that, as we actually convert 3 kV= lines to 25 kV~.
This is being made possible by the fact that multisystem locos and EMUs are much easier and cheaper to build than they used to be. Their limited additional cost is more than compensated by the reduction of infrastructure costs. As of now, SNCB does not purchase anymore pure 3 kV= rolling stock.

Does that mean that eventually, there will be no DC electrification in Belgium?
 

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Does that mean that eventually, there will be no DC electrification in Belgium?

Not at all. Only the Namur - Arlon (- Luxembourg) line will be converted, probably followed by the Marloie - Angleur (near Liège) branch. The idea is to create a 25 kV network south of the river Meuse. After all, the Rivage - Gouvy and Dinant - Bertrix - Athus lines were electrified from the start with 25 kV.

Other projects will continue with 3 kV. At the moment, the electrification of Mol - Hamont and Mol - Hasselt is underway with DC as it would make no sense to create a new 25 kV island. As for rolling stock: indeed, all recent locomotives are multi-voltage, but most of the AM08 EMU's are DC only (210 versus 95 multi-voltage).
 

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Apparently 1435 mm is the gauge of 65-75% of the railways in the world. I think converting to 1435 mm would make sense in Spain, perhaps this is the plan eventually.
What can be learnt from the GWR mixed-gauge situation before 1892?

The situation in Australia reminds me of a quote by a French politician: 'a compromise is only good when all parties are dissatisfied'
 

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Apparently 1435 mm is the gauge of 65-75% of the railways in the world. I think converting to 1435 mm would make sense in Spain, perhaps this is the plan eventually.
What can be learnt from the GWR mixed-gauge situation before 1892?

The situation in Australia reminds me of a quote by a French politician: 'a compromise is only good when all parties are dissatisfied'
Spain seems to have settled on Variable-Gauge Axles as the solution. Presumably at some point a critical mass will be reached where individual lines become viable for conversion. Australia seems to have a burst of conversion every few years or so. India, I think, went the other way and was converting some standard gauge lines into broad gauge (project unigauge?)

Many of the problems that the GWR broad gauge caused are resolved through things link VGA and intermodal containers. The gauge conversion itself would be difficult to replicate as not only are the networks far, far broader but the public demand for the service can't just be stopped whilst the entire network is changed. Not to mention it cost the company a fortune as all its rolling stock had to either be replaced or modified.
 

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Spain seems to have settled on Variable-Gauge Axles as the solution.
That's only for passenger trains, and high speed.
It's the freight requirement that is driving the dualling plans, so that (particularly) standard gauge cross-border intermodal trains can reach distant terminals presently on the broad-gauge network.
Dualling also saves building a completely new line for high speed passenger trains and avoids transhipment depots and costs.
But the dualling usually seems to be applied just to one line, so there must be some interesting signalling and pathing problems over those routes!
 

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how significant is cross border freight between France and Spain? Both are not known to shift large amounts in recent years. Also, is a container style system not easier, lifting the cargo part of the frame onto a standard gauge one?
 

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That's only for passenger trains, and high speed.
It's the freight requirement that is driving the dualling plans, so that (particularly) standard gauge cross-border intermodal trains can reach distant terminals presently on the broad-gauge network.
Dualling also saves building a completely new line for high speed passenger trains and avoids transhipment depots and costs.
But the dualling usually seems to be applied just to one line, so there must be some interesting signalling and pathing problems over those routes!

how significant is cross border freight between France and Spain? Both are not known to shift large amounts in recent years. Also, is a container style system not easier, lifting the cargo part of the frame onto a standard gauge one?
Spain had its Transfesa vans which were used for exporting vegetables from Spain, I don't know whether they re-axled the wagons at the border or the wheels slid on the axles. They were quite a regular sight here, blue with an orange logo.
 

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The Baltic states have swapped the USSR for the EUSSR.

What alerted me to this issue is looking into what has happened to Estonian railways since independence in 1991 (significant railway closures and loss of connectivity) and is proposed for the future (the EU-promoted Rail Baltica line). This was prompted by the TV programme on Tuesday night on Railway Architecture, which focussed on the historic disused station at Haapsalu (as well as Bristol TM in the UK).

Introducing an additional gauge into the Baltic states will create problems and is an EU-driven political decision.

Since the whole point of Rail Baltica is to better integrate the Baltics into European Networks - which is something these countries want, I would think it very odd if they didn’t use standard gauge. Indeed for rail freight, gauge changes are a major impediment. Even more as the currently rail systems barely have any practical role in these countries.
 
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Not at all. Only the Namur - Arlon (- Luxembourg) line will be converted, probably followed by the Marloie - Angleur (near Liège) branch. The idea is to create a 25 kV network south of the river Meuse. After all, the Rivage - Gouvy and Dinant - Bertrix - Athus lines were electrified from the start with 25 kV.

Other projects will continue with 3 kV. At the moment, the electrification of Mol - Hamont and Mol - Hasselt is underway with DC as it would make no sense to create a new 25 kV island. As for rolling stock: indeed, all recent locomotives are multi-voltage, but most of the AM08 EMU's are DC only (210 versus 95 multi-voltage).
The conversion of Namur - Luxembourg to 25 kV was mainly driven by the fact that the current electrification system of this line was life expired and needed replacement. Switching to 25 kV reduced the bill significantly, while offering much better performances. So, what's not to like ? The same might happen in the some distant future with Liege - Aachen, and possibly also Charleroi - Jeumont. Angleur - Marloie wires are only 25 years old so conversion won't happen immediately. Same for Namur - Dinant. And if Charleroi - Couvin ever gets its wires, it will probably be in 25 kV too. That would create an homogeneous 25 kV zone south of the Meuse River. North of that, I'm not aware of any plans. Line 147 Fleurus - Auvelais got 25 kV insulators when it was electrified, but I doubt those will ever be used.
 

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Even more as the currently rail systems barely have any practical role in these countries.
Currently, there is a very important railway line through Lithuania from Kaliningrad to Moscow (Moskva) via Vilna (Vilnius) and Minsk; it is double track throughout and electrified east of Kovno (Kaunas). It is probably the most important line in the Baltic states.

While historically, there was the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, following WW1 and regaining of independence, the relationship between Poland and Lithuania has been poor; for most of the interwar years the frontier was closed. There was once a through main line from Warsaw (Warszawa) to Vilna, which extended via Latvia to St Petersburg, but sadly it is no more. There used to be through trains from Riga to Tallinn and to Vilna as well. The railway line following the proposed Rail Baltica route in Estonia (from Tallinn to Parnu) closed as recently as 2018.

If these routes have closed, why would Rail Baltica be a success? IMO, it is a political project driven by the EU under the direction of Berlin.
 

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As the Baltics were dominated in turn by Russia and Germany, many of their lines were re-gauged several times over the years. As far as I know they have no plans to convert their existing routes to standard gauge. These are predominantly east-west and carry a lot of freight between Russia and its neighbours, and the enclave of Kaliningrad as well as various ice-free ports. Rail Baltica provides a north-south axis to Poland and beyond, where the lines are all to standard gauge.

Two examples each within one country, but widely enough separated that if they had been in Europe they would be in different countries:

The Australian states adopted various different gauges for various reasons, but probably thinking they would never be interconnected through the outback. But now all states are linked by standard gauge, although they retain their own gauges for shorter-distance services.

Back in the 19th century many American railways were built to various broad gauges, particularly in the south where they also tended to connect a port to its hinterland rather than forming through routes. The resulting inability to move troops and supplies easily when the Union blockaded the ports was one reason why the Confederacy lost the civil war, and the railways were mostly converted to standard after that.

Re "These [Baltic states broad gauge lines] are predominantly east-west" - well, maybe now. But during USSR times, and for a while afterwards, there was a N-S route linking the 3 Baltic capitals. Indeed I once got a through train from Tallinn, via Riga and Vilnius, that took me all the way to Warsaw. (With a bogie gauge change en route of course.) But post-USSR, and with the Baltic states joining what became the EU, financial support for rail links went out of the window and money was spent on nice modern capitalist infrastructure like roads, instead. (As happened with some other previously useful internatinal rail links when the countries concerned joined the EU.)
 
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