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Anonymous10
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i know theres no restrictions but you have a better chance when around cardiff ect due to quantity of routes passing and volume of service
PHILIPE
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Re-liveried 150278 is now out and about
animationmilo
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Do we know what 150 will be in after 150257
Anonymous10
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on a 158 at the moment in new livery they are very smart how many more are left?
Theyve all been in the new livery for a long time.
The internal refurb is all thats left and thats about half way through.
Anonymous10
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oh ok this one has been done in livery and interior make over they look very smart
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Looks like 175108 is due back tomorrow evening.
animationmilo
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Any idea what is next out of 106, 107, 110, 111, 112, 114, 115
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This thread may need to come to an end. The news today is that all trains will adopt the Great British Rail branding including TfW ones. I can forsee a backlash from the Welsh Government coming.
Until it is sorted I guess the rebrand will continue
Until it is sorted I guess the rebrand will continue
221101 Voyager
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Hang on a minute when you say 'Great British Rail branding' do you mean the double arrows logo?
Cardiff123
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Welsh Govt most certainly will be fighting it. TfW have spent hundreds of millions of pounds upgrading and re-liverying their current trains, and have orders for new trains specified to TfW spec. Remember this is a white paper, not final legislation. No point in UK Govt saying Scottish & Welsh Govts can keep control of rail operations but "you'll do as we say".
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If you read the document you will see this “This white paper and the Williams Rail Review have focused on railways within Great Britain, as transport is a devolved area in Northern Ireland. The devolved authorities in Scotland and Wales have a range of devolved powers in relation to rail which they will continue to exercise, as will TfL and other metropolitan authorities, in relation to rail and light rail in their areas. As now, they and Great British Railways will need to work together to deliver a co-ordinated network across Great Britain.”
My view would be ScotRail and TfW carry on - the Government won’t want to antagonise them by taking back powers. Off topic for this thread though.
Surely it will just continue as to which is in arriva, which is in TfW and which is in GBR so it will be a longer thread than expected
This government has form on antagonising the Welsh and Scots, including taking back powers in the Internal Markets Bill and talking about building the 2nd M4 around Newport even though that is a devolved matter to the Welsh Government.
I would hope that the double arrow remains part of the rail industry's branding in Great Britain. If the double arrow itself IS the brand then perhaps it could just be added somewhere on TfW stock and not need to repaint anything.Hang on a minute when you say 'Great British Rail branding' do you mean the double arrows logo?
221101 Voyager
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That's a great idea, let's see if it happens for real! Time will tell.
Anonymous10
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have you got any credible sources if so please link it as see so much wibble on here
Cardiff123
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It's all over every main UK news outlet today. The report can be downloaded here and on page 33 there's this paragraph:
And on page 41 there's this paragraph:
As has been said, expect a political backlash. This is just a White paper, so compromises on keeping devolved brand identities will need to be found. Especially as Grant Shapps said in the Commons chamber this morning that devolved governments will still be running their rail operations "as they see fit".
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Is this now completely refurbed and re-coloured?
Also, I have 150258 as being in for a refurb but now wondering if I have got this wrong and it should have been 257. Can anyone confirm if 258 has gone in please?
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150254 is currently in with 150257. 150257 should be out in the next few days.
175115 has been stopped for a few days so would imagine that will be next.
animationmilo
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I was thinking it could be that one
I would be far from surprised if the Welsh and Scottish Governments litigated. If BoZo wants to drive independence he's doing a great job.
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Pure rubbish. Read the bloody thing. It's not difficult. Here it is.
https://assets.publishing.service.g.../987752/gbr-williams-shapps-plan-for-rail.pdf
"Existing devolved authorities in Scotland, Wales, London, Merseyside, and Tyne and Wear will continue to exercise their current powers and to be democratically accountable for them. They will continue to award contracts and set fares on their services, for instance."
"Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain."
So essentialy, at most, you replace the "Wales and Borders" part of the livery with the "Great British Rail" one.
It's no big deal.
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tomm
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Any updates in the new charity liveries for transport For Wales DVTs 82216. 82226. 82229
tomm
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Any updates on 67010+67015 going in transport For Wales livery with 67008. 67014. 67017. 67025.
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As a Scottish person (with Welsh family), I can’t help but feel this ‘Great British Railways’ in reality translates to ‘Great English Railways’. I’m not a die hard independence fan - I just want more devolution. But when this is being pushed on to us, it makes independence seem so much better. Wales and Scotland already have their own unified rail brands, excluding the long distance services into England. Why not just make an English brand and leave each of the 3 nations with their own brand. No need for any of this Great British rubbish
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Perhaps because the present Conservative & Unionist UK Government is keen to highlight what it's funding throughout the UK? Rather like the EU made sure their branding was on everything they contributed to.
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That is the problem with the current UK devolution settlement, it can be infringed upon / rolled back by a Westminster government at any time as they see fit, especially by right wing, English nationalist Conservative governments, as we have now. It's not a sustainable settlement.
Back on topic, it's not just the GBR livery and on-train branding that the UK Govt expect TfW and ScotRail to incorporate/adopt. It's also this ''British Rail 2' alphabet typeface they expect to be on all trains and stations. Again, over the last 3 years, TfW has spent hundreds of millions designing and implementing a unique TfW brand identity not just on it's trains, but on it's stations as well, and many stations have already been completely re-branded in TfW lettering and branding. Pontypridd and Wrexham are two that come to mind.
It's the Welsh Govt that's been investing hundreds of millions of pounds in the TfW Rail service over the last few years, refurbishing trains and upgrading stations, not UK Govt. Most of this money has had to be diverted from elsewhere in the Welsh budget, as Wales doesn't get any direct Barnett consequentials for spending on rail services (as Scotland and NI do). So understandably I suspect they won't want UK Govt branding plastered all over the services and stations that Welsh Govt have been paying to improve.
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Make no mistake about it, that UK government that you mention was essentially elected by England and boy do the other three nations know that.
221101 Voyager
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I think that new branding should be applied across England on a rolling basis (only when necessary such as when new signs are required and only when trains require a repaint)
As for TfW and ScotRail, they already have their own recognisable brands and visual identities (especially ScotRail with their saltire livery)
I think to shut the government up, TfW and ScotRail should slap on some double arrow logos and have done with it and that’s it.
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