tiptoptaff
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This makes sense - 4 extra 5car sets and the additional vehicles to make the other 3 up to 5cars, plus spare vehicles/DVT
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Reported elsewhere that the remaining six are:
Three Standard Disabled (TODs): 12304-15-24
Spare Standard End (TOE): 12215
Spare Buffet (SV): 10305
Spare DVT: 82220
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Indeed, but when has that ever stopped people here?
Possible? Probably - but at a large cost. And how much of that diesel you've saved by using electricity when under the wires (for about 50 minutes of a 4½ hour journey) are you going to waste dragging a heavy and effectively useless electric loco up and down the many stiff gradients of the Marches?
I think we're really getting in to the realms of fantasy here.
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looks sleek
Western 52
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Quite a few through passengers from west Wales go beyond Cardiff. I do this regularly in normal times, and I notice many stay on the train at Cardiff. It's currently a very convenient through service for those of us living west of Swansea and a shame it it's taken off.
Sorry to nitpick, but to avoid this thread becoming too unwieldy, can we stick to discussing updates regarding the Mk4 stock in this thread please?
There are some other threads for speculation as follows:
TfW locomotive options for the loco hauled services
How might TfW adapt their rolling stock plans post-Covid, now that they're acquiring additional MkIV rakes?
Fares for TfW Marches services and opportunities for 1st class upgrades
If anyone wishes to discuss anything not covered by any existing thread, feel free to create a new one
There are some other threads for speculation as follows:
TfW locomotive options for the loco hauled services
How might TfW adapt their rolling stock plans post-Covid, now that they're acquiring additional MkIV rakes?
Fares for TfW Marches services and opportunities for 1st class upgrades
If anyone wishes to discuss anything not covered by any existing thread, feel free to create a new one
Bletchleyite
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Does it? I have seen great promotional liveries demonstrating a partnership between the TOC and the partner. This on the other hand is a billboard poster pasted haphazardly on the side. Awful.
The poster itself looks nice and shiny, but it doesn't integrate at all well with the livery, adding to the mismatch between the white DVT and the red swirl on the end of the coach.
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Bletchleyite
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Indeed, the whole thing doesn't look premium at all, it looks like they bought a load of knackered second-hand rolling stock and cheaped out on bothering to paint it. Which is what they did do
Couldn't contrast more with the ScotRail HSTs if they tried (though admittedly the decals on those seem to be picking up muck).
Maybe that gives us a nickname for the sets - "billboards"?
tiptoptaff
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It looks shocking.
They really needed to wrap the entire DVT in the base colour, which would still contrast the coaches but would look fine. As it is, it looks awful
They really needed to wrap the entire DVT in the base colour, which would still contrast the coaches but would look fine. As it is, it looks awful
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It looks just fine to me. Eye of the beholder and all that.
Does anyone know how the multiple-working system is designed? I had assumed that it was using the standard AAR connection (as the Mk3s did), with the new connector beside it on the front of the loco being for interlock and comms, but I've recently seen a picutre of the loco coupled to the set and this is clearly not the case - the AAR connector is not used and the only elecrrical connection (apart from the ETS) is the new one. Is the AAR plus additional functions routed through this? Presumably if so it must be switched somehow so that the original AAR socket can still be used for running locos in multi with other locos?
Incidentally, is there any indication of which other locos might be modified to accommodate the extra sets? Unless I've missed any, the fleet so far is:
In DB Red: 67010, 67013, 67015
In unbranded TfW livery: 67008, 67014, 67017, 67025
Incidentally, is there any indication of which other locos might be modified to accommodate the extra sets? Unless I've missed any, the fleet so far is:
In DB Red: 67010, 67013, 67015
In unbranded TfW livery: 67008, 67014, 67017, 67025
67s correct as far as I know. That would give the 7 TfW seem to be hiring, but I have a feeling a couple extra might be modified just in case they’re needed
82229 poking out of Arriva TC Crewe today with an RNLI charity campaign on the side making it the second to feature it’s charity livery
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I think it's almost certain they'll have to modify more than 7 locos. Even when they only needed one out of a supposed dedicated fleet of 3 more often than not it was a loco other than one of 67001-3 that was used. And now they can't just use any old 67, it has to be one with the modifications.
Chiltern have a pool of 8 locos for 5 sets (reduced to four sets now since the withdrawal of the slam-door set). Given that 67s are older and possibly a bit less reliable than 68s, something like 11 or 12 locos for 7 sets would seem likely, with any spare at any time being used for normal DB work if needed.
67001-3 seemed to be used quite a bit when the Mk3 sets first appeared, but that dropped off and in more recent years whenever I was over that way and travelled on them it seemed to be others - 67014 and 67022 were regular performers.
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They couldn't use any old 67 before, it had to be one with automatic fire extinguisher system activation when the loco was at the rear of the train. They now need that mod and the Mark 4 mod, though!
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As I've posted a fair while up.
The coupler is AAR plus functions not included as part of AAR.
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I think it was reported (speculated?) that there were to be 15 Class 67s to be made compatible?
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Apologies. Might have been another thread.
Yes, the original AAR is still functional.
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Going back to a point earlier about speeds and timings - TfW have applied for derogation to run these sets at HST and MU speeds where available, but Network Rail are yet to agree, so for now they're just running at the normal lower limits.
Ah yes, that's a fair point actually - although between the ex Chiltern locos and those modded for the EWS executive train that was still a fairly large pool, in comparison to the 2 locos that ATW/TFW required in service each day.
It's a large proportion of the fleet, so didn't pose much of a restriction in practice. The multiple-working mod looks to be much more involved so they probably won't be rolling that out as widely.
Thanks. Presumably the additional functions are door interlock and driver/guard comms? Is there anything else?
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Contracts have been signed for work to make the ex GC MKIVs compatible with 67s, plus various other mods required for TFW service.
Link to Rail Advent story
Link to Rail Advent story
Could well see some 67s pulled out of store for overhaul / modification soon then! Currently, 10 of them are stored (although of course some of those which are to be modified may already be active)
PHILIPE
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No real info yet but the locomotive discussion is here:-
www.railforums.co.uk/threads/tfw-locomotive-options-for-the-loco-hauled-services.218502/
That's speculation relating to the future (and much of it extremely unlikely).
It's obviously going to be more 67s as nothing else suitable will be available in sufficient numbers in the timescale, and there would in any case be no logic in having to train drivers on two small pools of different loco types. Only question is around which ones, and whether it leads to any long-stored locos returning (longest is 67019, stored for nearly six and a half years).
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Regarding the MkIVs being fitted for the Class 67s, what exactly needs to be done?
It does seem strange as the 67s have hauled the MkIVs (albeit coupled to a 90/91 or the DVT) either to rescue the sets, or when on diversion via Carlisle between Newcastle and Edinburgh.
It does seem strange as the 67s have hauled the MkIVs (albeit coupled to a 90/91 or the DVT) either to rescue the sets, or when on diversion via Carlisle between Newcastle and Edinburgh.