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Just to follow up on this, from what I can find on the Vectis site, unless I've missed something there is no such thing as a Day Return on the bus.

Most bus companies don't do day returns, rather it's a single or an all day ticket, which most urban bus companies price at slightly less than two average singles. But the latter are quite expensive for Vectis, as a sort of tourist tax (the longer-period seasons which the locals will use are much better value).
 
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Southern Vectis does not do returns: singles are £2.50, £3.50 or £4.50; the various passes start with £10 for one day and go up to £235 for 90 days. (All these are adult prices: young adults pay three-quarters and children half-price.)

Most of the stations are not well placed for the town centres, particularly Sandown, and I doubt if there is a lot of internal island traffic except from those who live near the stations. I suspect that much of the tourist traffic is mostly people who have not visited the island before (or for years) and don’t realise how far the station is from the beach: next time they’ll use the car or change at Esplanade.

As far as the Barton-on-Humber service is concerned: would it have survived being listed in the Beeching Report if it had not been for the boats across to Hull? When I travelled on it in the last months before the closure of the pier it was a pretty ropey service. As for the pier...
 

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Southern Vectis is a monopoly operator on the Island, and has engaged in anti-competitive practices over the years to drive out all other competition - except for the railway.
To be honest, the biggest barrier to entry for new bus operators is the fact that you're dealing with an island here. You'd either need to set up a new base on the island or ship vehicles back and forth to mainland depots on ferries, both of which are expensive options, and there's no way anyone else is going to be able to make significant dents in SV's customer base.
 

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Just to follow up on this, from what I can find on the Vectis site, unless I've missed something there is no such thing as a Day Return on the bus.

So an anytime day return on the train - £4.90, on the bus (2 singles) - £9.00!

For a leisure traveller coming across to Ryde from Portsmouth on a Saturday, who would most probably have a railcard - £3.10 (from Esplanade, £4.15 from the Pier Head) - bus, £9.00!

If they have a through ticket from some other mainland station, I'd guess the amount extra to travel on to Shanklin gets ever smaller - but the bus - £9.00!

So I think it's fair to say that the price difference is substantial...

(happy to be corrected if I have missed something regarding the bus price...)

Why would a leisure traveller "most probably have a railcard"?

If you've got it a senior railcard, then you'll also have an ENCTS bus pass, which means the bus would be zero.
 

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If you've got it a senior railcard, then you'll also have an ENCTS bus pass, which means the bus would be zero.
No. The age for a Senior Railcard Age is 60. The ENTCS age is the pension age, which is well north of 65 for men; I am not sure how much women have caught up. I have been entitled to a Senior Railcard for over a year, but have nearly five to go before I get my ENTCS.
 

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But if the Barton-on-Humber branch were to be closed for improvements that take three times longer than scheduled, I feel sure there would be a thread on here...

Doubt anybody would notice...including the regular users!
 

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No. The age for a Senior Railcard Age is 60. The ENTCS age is the pension age, which is well north of 65 for men; I am not sure how much women have caught up. I have been entitled to a Senior Railcard for over a year, but have nearly five to go before I get my ENTCS.
IIRC until around 8 years ago (maybe more), both men and women could apply for an ENCTS card at age 60. Thereafter the qualifying age for both sexes was set at the female pension age, which moved upward in steps about once a month. In my case I could apply for my pass at age 62 & 1/2 (roughly), well before being eligible for my state pension at 65.

I think that both ENCTS and pension ages have now reached 66 for both sexes.
 

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Except that both Sandown and Shanklin station are poorly sited - at least a 10 min walk to the seafront at either, and up hill back, whereas the bus gets much closer.

So unless your destination is right by stations like Sandown or Shanklin (there's not alot at the former and a large Lidl and holiday park at the latter) then you also need to consider the onward jouney, which the bus usually doesn't have to.
This makes the questionable assumption that most people want to go to the seafront. In Shanklin‘s case the beach is separated from the main body of the town by a cliff, so getting the train closer would be difficult (and apart from the local summer runaround, bus services don’t get much closer). The station is in fact pretty central to the town - it‘s on the main shopping street, and just round the corner from the bus station. It’s also the railhead for bus connections to Ventnor. Lidl and the holiday park yes, but also plenty of pretty dense housing.

Sandown station is admittedly less close to its town centre, but it is very convenient for the extensive areas of housing development which have been developed in recent years on the ‘other’ side of the tracks and which access the station by subway.

So, like stations anywhere, not ideally situated but still very useful to a lot of people.
 

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This makes the questionable assumption that most people want to go to the seafront. In Shanklin‘s case the beach is separated from the main body of the town by a cliff, so getting the train closer would be difficult (and apart from the local summer runaround, bus services don’t get much closer). The station is in fact pretty central to the town - it‘s on the main shopping street, and just round the corner from the bus station. It’s also the railhead for bus connections to Ventnor. Lidl and the holiday park yes, but also plenty of pretty dense housing.

Sandown station is admittedly less close to its town centre, but it is very convenient for the extensive areas of housing development which have been developed in recent years on the ‘other’ side of the tracks and which access the station by subway.

So, like stations anywhere, not ideally situated but still very useful to a lot of people.

But the line most posters have been peddling is that the lack of the railway has deterred visitors to the Island, most of whom will be wanting to go to the front area of Shanklin or Sandown - so you need to make up your mind.

As for your comment about 'useful for a lot of people' - let's unpick that, Sandown's population is about 12,000, Shanklin's is about 9,000 and Lake about 5,000 - so sub 30,000.

Looking for somewhere comparable - if you took Sheringham and Cromer (both coastal resorts, both with a line heading to one key destination etc), you've got a combined population of circa 15,000, but a combined usage of their stations (using 18/19 so as to ensure no Covid impact) of about 0.45m / year. The Island line across Sandown, Lake and Shanklin is about 0.44 - on double the population. Not sure that passes as 'alot of people'.
 

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As for your comment about 'useful for a lot of people' - let's unpick that, Sandown's population is about 12,000, Shanklin's is about 9,000 and Lake about 5,000 - so sub 30,000.

Looking for somewhere comparable - if you took Sheringham and Cromer (both coastal resorts, both with a line heading to one key destination etc), you've got a combined population of circa 15,000, but a combined usage of their stations (using 18/19 so as to ensure no Covid impact) of about 0.45m / year. The Island line across Sandown, Lake and Shanklin is about 0.44 - on double the population. Not sure that passes as 'alot of people'.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove there, but if you're looking for why Sheringham has higher usage than Shanklin, I would have thought the reason was pretty obvious.

From Sheringham, you can catch a train to a major city (Norwich) and be there in about an hour, for £8.40
From Shanklin, you can catch a train+ferry to a major city (Portsmouth) and be there in about an hour, for £20.10
 

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From Sheringham, you can catch a train to a major city (Norwich) and be there in about an hour, for £8.40
From Shanklin, you can catch a train+ferry to a major city (Portsmouth) and be there in about an hour, for £20.10
Also Sheringham has a connection with a major heritage railway, which must boost passenger numbers considerably on the days when it is running. I would suggest that while the connection with the IOW Steam Railway at Smallbrook is very useful, I doubt it would bring the same number of rail-borne visitors.
 

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One thing that has been missed in the comments about how many people live near the stations is that a journey has two ends. It is no use having lots of people living around the stations if none of the places they want to travel to are convenient to the stations. Places that residents want to travel to are likely to be the main shopping areas, of which only only Shanklin is not too far from the station, although it is not a massive centre. There are the large supermarkets, which are not near the railway, the various council offices, which are mostly in Newport, and sports, etc. facilities used by residents, which are again not near the railway. This leaves internal journeys by locals as a series of penny packets: going to see a friend who also lives by the railway, going to the Pier Head to do some sea angling, a darts match in the railway inn, etc. The main use of the line for the majority of passengers is connecting to the Cats and that is now such a hassle that people are likely to go by car direct to the Pier Head or, as they have to change anyway, take the Southern Vectis bus. And of course you could buy a through rail ticket from the island to the mainland from the guard; I understand that you can’t buy a ticket on the RRB.

Tourists are not going to use the line much during their holiday as other than the Steam Railway and Ryde seafront, it doesn’t really go anywhere on the main tourist map. If they weren’t put off when making their arrangements and did use it to get to and from their base, they probably won’t have got a particularly good impression of the railway.

I doubt that, in total, the closure has cut the number of visitors to the island as such is the market now that there is always someone else to grab the booking. Maybe there was a small loss (without replacement) of day trippers who reckon that it will take too long to get to and from where they want and go somewhere else. In my opinion, the damage is that a lot of those who would have arrived by rail have chosen other modes, so reducing the island’s revenue in the period when it is usually at its highest. And that some of those who did travel are going to be put off and not come by rail again.

EDIT: In some ways the perceived difficulties and delays of using the Cats are probably a greater disincentive to using the line, particularly for day trippers.
 
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When I was a guard on the Island Line in the late 'eighties, there were a fair number of Sandown High School pupils who travelled by train every school day from Brading, Lake and Shanklin, as the school is well-located for the station. Is that still the case (or was it pre-Covid and pre-shutdown)?
 

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When I was a guard on the Island Line in the late 'eighties, there were a fair number of Sandown High School pupils who travelled by train every school day from Brading, Lake and Shanklin, as the school is well-located for the station. Is that still the case (or was it pre-Covid and pre-shutdown)?
Probably still the case as the RRB timetable has some extras direct to and from the school in term time. However, that is probably the only substantial internal flow of passengers.
 

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Also Sheringham has a connection with a major heritage railway, which must boost passenger numbers considerably on the days when it is running. I would suggest that while the connection with the IOW Steam Railway at Smallbrook is very useful, I doubt it would bring the same number of rail-borne visitors.

I happen to think the oft repeated claim around here that people visit heritage railways which have a mainline link is at best optimistic and more likely somewhat misplaced. There's precious little evidence that a significant proportion of visitors to heritage railways arrive via the mainline. Lines such as the West Somerset, Gloucestershire & Warwickshire, Battlefield and at a push the Nene Valley and Romney Hythe and Dymchurch don't seem to struggle for the lack of a mainline connection (yes, I know the NVR actually has one, but there aren't regular services over it and instead you're looking at a ~1 mile / 20 min walk).

I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove there, but if you're looking for why Sheringham has higher usage than Shanklin, I would have thought the reason was pretty obvious.

From Sheringham, you can catch a train to a major city (Norwich) and be there in about an hour, for £8.40
From Shanklin, you can catch a train+ferry to a major city (Portsmouth) and be there in about an hour, for £20.10

The point, I would have thought, was obvious. That despite the protestations around here about the viability of the Island Line, it's relatively poorly used by both locals and visitors.

And the number of locals it's convenient to is relatively small - yet comparable lines manage to attract a much higher usage from a much smaller population.
 

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I happen to think the oft repeated claim around here that people visit heritage railways which have a mainline link is at best optimistic and more likely somewhat misplaced. There's precious little evidence that a significant proportion of visitors to heritage railways arrive via the mainline. Lines such as the West Somerset, Gloucestershire & Warwickshire, Battlefield and at a push the Nene Valley and Romney Hythe and Dymchurch don't seem to struggle for the lack of a mainline connection (yes, I know the NVR actually has one, but there aren't regular services over it and instead you're looking at a ~1 mile / 20 min walk).
During COVID restrictions, several railways with mainline connections were not allowing boarding at the interchange stations! Incredibly frustrating for me, but clearly they thought it wasn't going to affect them too badly. It was a pain if you didn't have a car, but that's clearly the way most people get there.
 

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I happen to think the oft repeated claim around here that people visit heritage railways which have a mainline link is at best optimistic and more likely somewhat misplaced. There's precious little evidence that a significant proportion of visitors to heritage railways arrive via the mainline. Lines such as the West Somerset, Gloucestershire & Warwickshire, Battlefield and at a push the Nene Valley and Romney Hythe and Dymchurch don't seem to struggle for the lack of a mainline connection (yes, I know the NVR actually has one, but there aren't regular services over it and instead you're looking at a ~1 mile / 20 min walk).



The point, I would have thought, was obvious. That despite the protestations around here about the viability of the Island Line, it's relatively poorly used by both locals and visitors.

And the number of locals it's convenient to is relatively small - yet comparable lines manage to attract a much higher usage from a much smaller population.

I’d tend to agree that the line, as electrified, serves two markets - journeys between the three Ryde stations, and as a distributor from Ryde Pier Head to the Sandown-Shanklin area. Over time increasing car use has reduced the second of these, which no doubt correlated with the way the Island Line fleet size has shrunk since the 1960s.

For locals it offers a day in Ryde, a day in Portsmouth, and a connection to the rest of the U.K. rail system, which I’m sure is nice to have, but isn’t something most people will be using *that* often.
 

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I happen to think the oft repeated claim around here that people visit heritage railways which have a mainline link is at best optimistic and more likely somewhat misplaced. There's precious little evidence that a significant proportion of visitors to heritage railways arrive via the mainline. Lines such as the West Somerset, Gloucestershire & Warwickshire, Battlefield and at a push the Nene Valley and Romney Hythe and Dymchurch don't seem to struggle for the lack of a mainline connection (yes, I know the NVR actually has one, but there aren't regular services over it and instead you're looking at a ~1 mile / 20 min walk).
I agree that the number of general tourists who arrive at most lines by rail is probably fairly small. The number may well be large enough to justify the facilities, but is probably of most use when there are enthusiast events and galas. The arrangements at Smallbrook Junction may be an exception, because it makes a day trip to the line from quite a large part of the central southern England possible without paying car-ferry prices. However, it may be a case that the numbers doing this are naturally declining as there are fewer grandads taking their grandkids to see trains ‘like they remember when they were kids’.
 

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The point, I would have thought, was obvious. That despite the protestations around here about the viability of the Island Line, it's relatively poorly used by both locals and visitors.

And the number of locals it's convenient to is relatively small - yet comparable lines manage to attract a much higher usage from a much smaller population.

I don't think there is any 'comparable line' - the Island Line is unique because it is only connected to the rest of the national network by an expensive ferry crossing.

If the passengers on the train from Sheringham to Norwich were told in future their train was going to come to a halt just before entering Norwich, and a toll of £10 would be collected from each of them before they were allowed to continue, do you not think that would affect ridership on the Sheringham branch?

So, if you can come up with a fair comparison, I would be interested to hear it...
 

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I don't think there is any 'comparable line' - the Island Line is unique because it is only connected to the rest of the national network by an expensive ferry crossing.

If the passengers on the train from Sheringham to Norwich were told in future their train was going to come to a halt just before entering Norwich, and a toll of £10 would be collected from each of them before they were allowed to continue, do you not think that would affect ridership on the Sheringham branch?

So, if you can come up with a fair comparison, I would be interested to hear it...
Is your point that the Island line would have much higher usage if it was cheaper? If so, I don't doubt it but would it be enough to offset the drop in fares? If the fares were to drop by half you'd need double the ridership to break even (and it's not quite as simple as that because of greater admin costs for more individual transactions etc). Given the ferry isn't part of the national network, who covers the shortfall in it's revenue?
 

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I agree that the number of general tourists who arrive at most lines by rail is probably fairly small. The number may well be large enough to justify the facilities, but is probably of most use when there are enthusiast events and galas. The arrangements at Smallbrook Junction may be an exception, because it makes a day trip to the line from quite a large part of the central southern England possible without paying car-ferry prices. However, it may be a case that the numbers doing this are naturally declining as there are fewer grandads taking their grandkids to see trains ‘like they remember when they were kids’.

The enthusiast fraternity are notoriously deep pocket, short arm. There's no evidence they're more inclined to travel to a line with a mainline connection unless they have a disposition against travelling by other means.
 

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The enthusiast fraternity are notoriously deep pocket, short arm. There's no evidence they're more inclined to travel to a line with a mainline connection unless they have a disposition against travelling by other means.

I don't know about "enthusiasts"; I can only talk as (in the past) a leisure visitor to the island in general.

It's certainly true that for my visits to the IoW (as an occasional day visitor and occasionally a longer-stay visitor, starting out from London), the lack of a good and frequent and well-connected (at each end) ferry/rail connection would mean I would go elsewhere instead. I haven't been faced with this during Covid times of course, but if the catamaran/rail link doesn't go back to its original situation soon, now that travel is returning more to normal, then it will mean the IoW is unlikely to be on my trip list simply because no alternative way of reaching the island in general and the eastern part in particular is as easy and convenient.
 

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Is your point that the Island line would have much higher usage if it was cheaper? If so, I don't doubt it but would it be enough to offset the drop in fares? If the fares were to drop by half you'd need double the ridership to break even (and it's not quite as simple as that because of greater admin costs for more individual transactions etc). Given the ferry isn't part of the national network, who covers the shortfall in it's revenue?
I wasn't offering any answers - just trying to highlight the fatuous and misleading nature of some of the comparisons being made on here.

Personally I have no problem with the line being heavily subsidised.
 

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Does anyone know when Island Line re-opens? My normal usage of Island Line isn't replicated by the RRB nor Southern Vectis:

- The RRB doesn't serve Pier Head
- The RRB doesn't serve Smallbrook Junction
- The RRB doesn't connect to the first and last trains on the Steam Railway at Havenstreet
- Southern Vectis doesn't serve Pier Head
- Southern Vectis doesn't serve Smallbrook Junction
- Southern Vectis doesn't serve Havenstreet
- Southern Vectis does serve Wootton Station but the Steam Railway doesn't have a ticket office and requests customers not to use Woottom as a departure station

I happen to think the oft repeated claim around here that people visit heritage railways which have a mainline link is at best optimistic and more likely somewhat misplaced. There's precious little evidence that a significant proportion of visitors to heritage railways arrive via the mainline. Lines such as the West Somerset, Gloucestershire & Warwickshire, Battlefield and at a push the Nene Valley and Romney Hythe and Dymchurch don't seem to struggle for the lack of a mainline connection (yes, I know the NVR actually has one, but there aren't regular services over it and instead you're looking at a ~1 mile / 20 min walk).



The point, I would have thought, was obvious. That despite the protestations around here about the viability of the Island Line, it's relatively poorly used by both locals and visitors.

And the number of locals it's convenient to is relatively small - yet comparable lines manage to attract a much higher usage from a much smaller population.
I sense some confusion here. People like myself visiting steam railways by public transport couldn't care less about a "mainline link". A steam railway is either accessible by public transport or it isn't. Getting to many of the National Rail connected steam railways isn't made any easier by that connection. A few examples; Bo'ness & Kinneil, Swanage, Kent & East Sussex (RVR), Wensleydale, Nottingham Heritage Railway (previously GCRN), Nene Valley, West Somerset, Gloucester & Warwickshire etc.

The argument that the loss of the small percentage of steam railway visitors arriving by public transport would be no loss to the bottom line of a steam railway I find interesting. Obviously steam railways understand their audience better than you or I. But in the case of the Isle of Wight Steam Railway, having written to them and spoken to them, no, they don't seem to care at all about anyone arriving, or trying to arrive, by public transport. A strange state of affairs indeed!
 
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Looking for somewhere comparable - if you took Sheringham and Cromer (both coastal resorts, both with a line heading to one key destination etc), you've got a combined population of circa 15,000, but a combined usage of their stations (using 18/19 so as to ensure no Covid impact) of about 0.45m / year. The Island line across Sandown, Lake and Shanklin is about 0.44 - on double the population. Not sure that passes as 'alot of people'.

Of course it's not just residents that use these lines, Island Line at least carries much if not most of it's passengers during the summer months - if Sheringham and Cromer attract more visitors than Sandown Bay, which seems quite likely, that could compensate for the difference in local demand.
 
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But the line most posters have been peddling is that the lack of the railway has deterred visitors to the Island, most of whom will be wanting to go to the front area of Shanklin or Sandown - so you need to make up your mind.

As for your comment about 'useful for a lot of people' - let's unpick that, Sandown's population is about 12,000, Shanklin's is about 9,000 and Lake about 5,000 - so sub 30,000.

Looking for somewhere comparable - if you took Sheringham and Cromer (both coastal resorts, both with a line heading to one key destination etc), you've got a combined population of circa 15,000, but a combined usage of their stations (using 18/19 so as to ensure no Covid impact) of about 0.45m / year. The Island line across Sandown, Lake and Shanklin is about 0.44 - on double the population. Not sure that passes as 'alot of people'.
It’s an odd argument that says that the value of a line depends on the proportion of the local population it succeeds in attracting. It’s absolute numbers that count. To take two arguably similar examples of railways serving fairly remote seaside resorts, I see that Shanklin alone has twice the usage of Whitby, and much more than twice the usage of Newquay. I’ve no doubt both those lines lose money heavily too, but I’d be surprised to see threads advocating their closure.
 

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Does anyone know when Island Line re-opens? My normal usage of Island Line isn't replicated by the RRB nor Southern Vectis:

- The RRB doesn't serve Pier Head
- The RRB doesn't serve Smallbrook Junction
- The RRB doesn't connect to the first and last trains on the Steam Railway at Havenstreet
- Southern Vectis doesn't serve Pier Head
- Southern Vectis doesn't serve Smallbrook Junction
- Southern Vectis doesn't serve Havenstreet
- Southern Vectis does serve Wootton Station but the Steam Railway doesn't have a ticket office and requests customers not to use Woottom as a departure station


I sense some confusion here. People like myself visiting steam railways by public transport couldn't care less about a "mainline link". A steam railway is either accessible by public transport or it isn't. Getting to many of the National Rail connected steam railways isn't made any easier by that connection. A few examples; Bo'ness & Kinneil, Swanage, Kent & East Sussex (RVR), Wensleydale, Nottingham Heritage Railway (previously GCRN), Nene Valley, West Somerset, Gloucester & Warwickshire etc.

The argument that the loss of the small percentage of steam railway visitors arriving by public transport would be no loss to the bottom line of a steam railway I find interesting. Obviously steam railways understand their audience better than you or I. But in the case of the Isle of Wight Steam Railway, having written to them and spoken to them, no, they don't seem to care at all about anyone arriving, or trying to arrive, by public transport. A strange state of affairs indeed!

It's worth pointing out Smallbrook isn't accessible by foot or car. Its only purpose is interchange with the Island Line, so to bemoan the lack of a bus connection there isn't really reasonable.

And on the last train, it's only the Haven Street - Wootton section you couldn't do and get the connection, the last departure from Haven St to Smallbrook does call at Haven St on it's way back. If the Island Line were running you'd only be able to travel on the last train to Smallbrook, whereas with the current situation you get to travel Haven St - Smallbrook - Haven Street and get the bus.

And on the Pier Head according to SWR https://www.southwesternrailway.com/destinations-and-offers/island-line/island-line-upgrade

"A shuttle bus will operate twice an hour between Ryde Pier Head and Ryde Esplanade to link with Wightlink Ferries. Wightlink advise customers to be at the Pier Head a minimum of 15 mins prior to sailing departure times."

So there is a link between Esplanade and Pier Head, obviously full size buses can't run to Pier Head due to the weight restrictions (3 tonnes).

I'm sure in the mists of time (back in the late 80s / early 90s) SVOC did used to run to Pier Head using 16 seat Ford Transits minibuses.
 

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Does anyone know when Island Line re-opens? My normal usage of Island Line isn't replicated by the RRB nor Southern Vectis:

- The RRB doesn't serve Pier Head
- The RRB doesn't serve Smallbrook Junction
- The RRB doesn't connect to the first and last trains on the Steam Railway at Havenstreet
- Southern Vectis doesn't serve Pier Head
- Southern Vectis doesn't serve Smallbrook Junction
- Southern Vectis doesn't serve Havenstreet
- Southern Vectis does serve Wootton Station but the Steam Railway doesn't have a ticket office and requests customers not to use Woottom as a departure station


I sense some confusion here. People like myself visiting steam railways by public transport couldn't care less about a "mainline link". A steam railway is either accessible by public transport or it isn't. Getting to many of the National Rail connected steam railways isn't made any easier by that connection. A few examples; Bo'ness & Kinneil, Swanage, Kent & East Sussex (RVR), Wensleydale, Nottingham Heritage Railway (previously GCRN), Nene Valley, West Somerset, Gloucester & Warwickshire etc.

The argument that the loss of the small percentage of steam railway visitors arriving by public transport would be no loss to the bottom line of a steam railway I find interesting. Obviously steam railways understand their audience better than you or I. But in the case of the Isle of Wight Steam Railway, having written to them and spoken to them, no, they don't seem to care at all about anyone arriving, or trying to arrive, by public transport. A strange state of affairs indeed!
Taxis are provided up and down the pier for those with rail tickets. There is an hourly connecting bus from Esplanade to Haven Street Station: this goes from a different place to the other RRB. You can do the trip, but it involves more changes than it used to.

The steam railway does seem very orientated towards Haven Street, which no longer has even a minimal bus service: it is private car, coach or nothing there. Smallbrook seems to be an add-on that they will be happy to take revenue from, but won’t exert themselves about.
 

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Easy solution for a mainline connection - borrow a TBM from HS2 and link the island to the mainland ;)
 

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The steam railway does seem very orientated towards Haven Street, which no longer has even a minimal bus service: it is private car, coach or nothing there. Smallbrook seems to be an add-on that they will be happy to take revenue from, but won’t exert themselves about.
I have in the past walked there from Ryde - it's only around 3 miles. The nearest stop on the Ryde circular bus route (37?) is only around a mile from the station, but unfortunately that mile is the least pleasant section, along a busy road mostly without a footway. On occasions when there were a group of us we've shared a taxi to or from Ryde or East Cowes at a fairly modest cost when divided between us.

These were all occasions when timings or locations didn't suit travelling via Smallbrook Junction. I suppose the railway considers that that caters adequately for public transport arrivals.
 
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