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“Do not stand in the aisles!”

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Bletchleyite

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Always makes me laugh when you see those not used to rail travel make walking through a vestibule look a bit of an ordeal. You hardly know they are there on newer trains compared to an HST rocking across the Berks & Hants.

Wonder how they'd cope in a proper classic RIC coach where you very much feel like you are going outside! :)

(Interestingly 230s have UIC type rubber gangways - the only trains in the UK to have them)
 
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Wonder how they'd cope in a proper classic RIC coach where you very much feel like you are going outside! :)

(Interestingly 230s have UIC type rubber gangways - the only trains in the UK to have them)
They’d probably wait until the next station lol
 

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I've had a TPE guard in the past say something like "please hold on tight, keep all arms and legs inside the vehicle, and scream if you want to go faster!" so perhaps this announcement was just a joke that didn't quite land?
 

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I've had a TPE guard in the past say something like "please hold on tight, keep all arms and legs inside the vehicle, and scream if you want to go faster!" so perhaps this announcement was just a joke that didn't quite land?

It would certainly be a weird sense of humour considering a safety issue was mentioned.
 

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Always makes me laugh when you see those not used to rail travel make walking through a vestibule look a bit of an ordeal. You hardly know they are there on newer trains compared to an HST rocking across the Berks & Hants.

To be fair I find walking through moving trains surprisingly difficult, despite spending a fair bit of time on trains. I’m usually sitting down of course :). TMs have rather better “sea legs” than drivers.
 

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I've had a TPE guard in the past say something like "please hold on tight, keep all arms and legs inside the vehicle, and scream if you want to go faster!" so perhaps this announcement was just a joke that didn't quite land?

Hopefully on a class 68 hauled service? :D
 

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I wonder if perhaps he had seen some kids mucking around in one of the coaches and so had made this up as a way of getting them to sit down?
Probably just an attempt to encourage people to sit down, especially if it is common place most people choose to stand than to sit, which I think is likely on a train 2/3 full at the moment. (I don't know what his experience was like.)

If that persuaded a few people to sit down and consequently made passage through the coaches easier for both customers and himself then I consider it objective achieved.

No harm done so I wouldn't care too much the merits of going through the tunnels and some such. If some people continued to choose to stand I doubt anything will be done.
 

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Conductors ask the passengers to sit down when trains couple up in service, nobody listens to the announcements though.
 

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Conductors ask the passengers to sit down when trains couple up in service, nobody listens to the announcements though.
True, but I'm sure we all have some tricks up our sleeves to achieve certain objectives.

Not everyone will listen, but the aim isn't always to get everyone to comply.
 

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I've heard requests for people who are standing to move along the train to areas where there are plenty of seats, but never heard of the tunnel connection .... how odd!
 

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I didn't hear the name, sorry, but it was today's 9M22 1045 NCL - LIV if that helps, and the announcement was made just after Leeds. I found it rather amusing.

Won't be Newcastle crew as they only operate as far as Leeds, so must be either York or Liverpool based. Had I seen this yesterday I could have looked on Genius (although I still wouldn't have revealed the name on here)

I've had a TPE guard in the past say something like "please hold on tight, keep all arms and legs inside the vehicle, and scream if you want to go faster!" so perhaps this announcement was just a joke that didn't quite land?

Lol, that might have been me. You forgot to smile for the camera!
 

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Probably just an attempt to encourage people to sit down, especially if it is common place most people choose to stand than to sit, which I think is likely on a train 2/3 full at the moment. (I don't know what his experience was like.)

If that persuaded a few people to sit down and consequently made passage through the coaches easier for both customers and himself then I consider it objective achieved.

No harm done so I wouldn't care too much the merits of going through the tunnels and some such. If some people continued to choose to stand I doubt anything will be done.

I’m a little wary of this sort of thing. If he wanted, for whatever reason, people not to clog up the aisles, why not make an honest announcement to that effect? If this doesn’t have the desired effect then simply accept there’s limits as to what can be achieved when having to rely on the actions of others.

The problem with making up stuff is that of cry wolf - when the situation comes where you really properly need people to take notice, they don’t take it seriously.

Having said that, I know one or two people who love a good announcement at certain stations along the lines of “we are now approaching X - there is a joint revenue and police operating taking place there at this time, so please ensure you have your valid ticket ready for inspection, and be aware there may be a slight delay leaving the station if theres’s a queue for the body scanner”. I can well imagine this having an interesting effect when done at the right location!
 

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The tunnel thing seems particularly odd, but I wonder if this is some sort of reputation/perception thing I.e. they don't want people to be standing because it will make people think the trains are full, when they aren't? I have had a train manager on XC tell me to sit down as I was making the place look untidy, whilst stood in the vestibule. He was very obviously joking, but I've heard similar comments previously so there must be something underlying it
 

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Won't be Newcastle crew as they only operate as far as Leeds, so must be either York or Liverpool based. Had I seen this yesterday I could have looked on Genius (although I still wouldn't have revealed the name on here)

It should be the same diagram today, though don't know about the person working it.
 

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Always makes me laugh when you see those not used to rail travel make walking through a vestibule look a bit of an ordeal. You hardly know they are there on newer trains compared to an HST rocking across the Berks & Hants.
Or going back a bit further in time a Mk1 set on the ECML on a wet day at about 90mph, a lot of the corridor connections were not that well sealed against the weather
 

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Or going back a bit further in time a Mk1 set on the ECML on a wet day at about 90mph, a lot of the corridor connections were not that well sealed against the weather
Oh yes & thankfully we get the chance to see that still on railtours. I was rather disappointed the set on Saturdays ‘Only Freight Tracks & Horses’ was a Mk2 air-con set. Had to keep popping to the buffet for a slice of Mk1.
 

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I’m a little wary of this sort of thing.
Agreed. Unintended consequences. You do have to be careful with where and what you get economical with.

It still beats me why he made that announcement and that's the only reason I can think of. Personally not a choice I would have made myself but he obviously had other thoughts.
 

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Oh yes & thankfully we get the chance to see that still on railtours. I was rather disappointed the set on Saturdays ‘Only Freight Tracks & Horses’ was a Mk2 air-con set. Had to keep popping to the buffet for a slice of Mk1.

Oh, was that you lot I passed on the distinctly mixed traffic Down Main at Tile Hill…?
 

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My biggest complaint with the modern railway, giving guards free reign to wibble on about 'stuff' with no other plan but self importance.
 

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The ability for the public to follow announcements for their own benefit really does stagger me. Advice such as closing the window blinds to prevent heating up whilst stranded over the PA are usually ignored until a member staff walks down asking the people sat at the windows to close them.
 

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The ability for the public to follow announcements for their own benefit really does stagger me. Advice such as closing the window blinds to prevent heating up whilst stranded over the PA are usually ignored until a member staff walks down asking the people sat at the windows to close them.

It is not at all surprising that people ignore the PA when 99% of the time what comes out of it is utter waffle.
 

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The ability for the public to follow announcements for their own benefit really does stagger me. Advice such as closing the window blinds to prevent heating up whilst stranded over the PA are usually ignored until a member staff walks down asking the people sat at the windows to close them.
Won’t do anything for the air temperature inside if the window blinds are also inside. Obviously will have an effect on any bits of passenger that are in direct sunlight - but won’t change the total amount of heat energy getting into the carriage
 

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The ability for the public to follow announcements for their own benefit really does stagger me. Advice such as closing the window blinds to prevent heating up whilst stranded over the PA are usually ignored until a member staff walks down asking the people sat at the windows to close them.
Won’t do anything for the air temperature inside if the window blinds are also inside. Obviously will have an effect on any bits of passenger that are in direct sunlight - but won’t change the total amount of heat energy getting into the carriage

Although the same amount of heat comes in, the amount that gets reflected back out could be different, depending on the design of the blinds. That's why some people put a reflective shield up inside their windscreen when they park their car in sunlight.

Even a non-reflective blind can help, because the blind can become very hot and radiate heat back out while the interior temperature is still climbing, whereas to achieve the same outward radiation without blinds you would need the train interior to have reached that hot temperature. The blinds can also trap an insulating layer of air, which helps reduce the amount of heat that the warm window pane itself transfers inside the train. That's why you can reduce the amount your home heats up in the summer by closing all your curtains during the day.
 

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Won’t do anything for the air temperature inside if the window blinds are also inside. Obviously will have an effect on any bits of passenger that are in direct sunlight - but won’t change the total amount of heat energy getting into the carriage
Although the same amount of heat comes in, the amount that gets reflected back out could be different, depending on the design of the blinds. That's why some people put a reflective shield up inside their windscreen when they park their car in sunlight.

Even a non-reflective blind can help, because the blind can become very hot and radiate heat back out while the interior temperature is still climbing, whereas to achieve the same outward radiation without blinds you would need the train interior to have reached that hot temperature. The blinds can also trap an insulating layer of air, which helps reduce the amount of heat that the warm window pane itself transfers inside the train. That's why you can reduce the amount your home heats up in the summer by closing all your curtains during the day.
And of course, the blind doesn't need to entirely stop the transfer of heat energy in order to be effective - it just needs to slow it enough that the carriage does not become unbearably hot in however long it takes for them to either get the passengers detrained or the HVAC working.
 

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I've not caught one recently, but used to travel between Leeds / Huddersfield / Manchester and can't remember the last time I got a seat (even when I'd reserved one) except in 1st. I can remember trains I barely managed to get on because of the crowding.
 
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