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Porterbrook Cl.769 'Flex' trains from 319s, initially for Northern

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Or a 319 on the opposite side of the hour? There seem to be plenty to choose from.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...15/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=pax-calls&order=wtt

If they have interest in railway things, a ride beyond Bolton on a 769 would be more interesting.

Thanks. They have no interest in the railways, but I’m conscious of the visual difference that can be seen in the standard of what they are used to in London, and then what we get here in the north west. It’ll be interesting to see their observations.
 
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Thanks. They have no interest in the railways, but I’m conscious of the visual difference that can be seen in the standard of what they are used to in London, and then what we get here in the north west. It’ll be interesting to see their observations.

Plenty of Mk3-based EMUs still knocking about down South.
 

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The 769's should have been fully developed, proved and run-in before being released to TOC's - or were they?

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Given they were so abysmally late to enter service in the first place, it does make your wonder what they did with that extra time - or how bad they originally were when they first left Loughborough.
 

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The TOCs and RoSCos are commercial organisations. I don't agree with the pseudo-privatisation model, but that is what the government (with the same ideology of the present one) gave us.
To be fair, while that's correct for the RoSCo, it's stretching it a bit for the TOC, which, while operating under a quasi-commercial-style contract, is publicly owned and does not take revenue risk, unlike in franchise days.

I don't know whether NTL would be covered by Freedom of Information Act requests these days?
 

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NTL have been covered by FOI requests since taken over by OLR last March.

95% of requests seem to be just asking for unit and crew diagrams.
 

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Ah yes I forgot that, - if NT are under OLR conditions there might be a case, (although it might not be presumed unless a refusal is challenged and overturned). Unit and crew diagrams are virtually open to public scrutiny via staff workings and union involvement anyway. Most TOCs however, are not under OLR conditions, so irrespective of their receiving grants, handouts, or govenment financial support by any other channel, they are still registered commercial entities. Outside of the rail industry, there are plenty of commercial companies that receive direct government support but that doesn't affect their status under FOI law, and AFAIK, there is no precedent of them being forced to respond to requests, although for commercial and/or reputational reasons they might choose to answer some.
 

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Every morning I see the unit that has come off 06:17 from Southport, it's more often than not a 2 car Sprinter. I wonder when Northern will just bite the bullet and get rid?

Its booked to be a 1 x 150 now.
Yes 769s do go on to Newton Heath, only one booked arrival (5J84) and one departure (5W00) to/from Newton Heath per day though as far as I know. The 0720 from Victoria is 2W00 - it still is diagrammed a 769.

NH424 now another 1 x 150.
 

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769431 in trouble again today, Ordsall Lane Junction running as 2K85. Sat down with loss of drive sat at signal. The driver even had a go on diesel power with the same outcome. 20mins later we were on our way again.
 

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Ah yes I forgot that, - if NT are under OLR conditions there might be a case, (although it might not be presumed unless a refusal is challenged and overturned). Unit and crew diagrams are virtually open to public scrutiny via staff workings and union involvement anyway. Most TOCs however, are not under OLR conditions, so irrespective of their receiving grants, handouts, or govenment financial support by any other channel, they are still registered commercial entities. Outside of the rail industry, there are plenty of commercial companies that receive direct government support but that doesn't affect their status under FOI law, and AFAIK, there is no precedent of them being forced to respond to requests, although for commercial and/or reputational reasons they might choose to answer some.
Northern (unit) diagrams for May-Dec 2021 have been made available under FOI request, but request made last week for Dec 21 diagrams has just been refused, hiding behind (crew) diagrams, and possible abuse of access to Northern depots if request granted. Suffice to say, request for review has been made.............
 

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Northern have temporarily reduced the diagrams to be covered by 769s to just three. Two of the eight sets are out of service awaiting parts whilst another has no heat. That leaves two for training and rescue duties.
 

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Maybe that explains why we are having to suffer 2 car 150s or 156s on the peak time 2W26 1650 Alderley Edge to Southport train at the moment
 

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Northern have temporarily reduced the diagrams to be covered by 769s to just three. Two of the eight sets are out of service awaiting parts whilst another has no heat. That leaves two for training and rescue duties.

They did that back on the 13th of September! Glad I quit working in Manchester city centre on the 9th!
 

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Northern have temporarily reduced the diagrams to be covered by 769s to just three. Two of the eight sets are out of service awaiting parts whilst another has no heat. That leaves two for training and rescue duties.
Can they not rob the parts from some of the GWR units, after all most of them won't be needed until next year?
 

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Can they not rob the parts from some of the GWR units, after all most of them won't be needed until next year?
If ‘they’ are Porterbrook then yes but it depends which parts because some new ones might not be common to the 3rd rail equipped GWR units. Some older ones could probably be robbed from other 319s at Allerton.
 

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wow, never seen an 8 carriage diagramed for Southport services, this though is obviously an error as not one station can take 8 carriages, unless the rear section is locked out, I see this train most mornings, I doubt it will be 8 carriages, but will keep eye out for it.

The Ecs from Allerton is showing as 8 carriages too
 
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wow, never seen an 8 carriage diagramed for Southport services, this though is obviously an error as not one station can take 8 carriages, unless the rear section is locked out, I see this train most mornings, I doubt it will be 8 carriages, but will keep eye out for it.

The Ecs from Allerton is showing as 8 carriages too
A few stations come to mind which have level crossing issues if that was suddenly the case. Parbold etc.
 

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Think it's fair to say that the 0637 Manchester Victoria to Southport didn't cope well with low adhesion conditions climbing the gradient between Brindle Heath and Pendlebury this morning.

RTT link
 

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I did quite well however on the non-electrified section, leaving 16 minutes late and recovering 12 of those minutes by the time it reached the wires at Lostock junction.
By missing out all station calls between Southport and Wigan
 

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By missing out all station calls between Southport and Wigan
So it didn't get stuck on any inclines then?
According to RTT it stopped at MEC, BCB, PBL,WGW, HIN & WHG. It missed BES, NLN, HSC & INC in line with the timetables (both GBTT & WTT).
 
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Just standing at Manchester Victoria this evening and noticed warning signs for 769 drivers to change power mode. Not sure how long these have been hear but only just noticed them myself.
 

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Just standing at Manchester Victoria this evening and noticed warning signs for 769 drivers to change power mode. Not sure how long these have been hear but only just noticed them myself.
They have been at Manchester Victoria for a little bit.
I can remember them being there from around August/September 2020.
Only because I was doing some Pacer riding to kirkby back then before they ended.
 

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Just standing at Manchester Victoria this evening and noticed warning signs for 769 drivers to change power mode. Not sure how long these have been hear but only just noticed them myself.
Probably get taken down next year when the electrification to stalybridge is finished.
 

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