That title simply shifts onto the next oldest Peak. Not an interesting attribute or accolade in and of itself.
As far as I know 45015 was the only class 45 left that was originally built with nose end doors. Nothing else of note though.
That title simply shifts onto the next oldest Peak. Not an interesting attribute or accolade in and of itself.
I've read that before, but never been able to make them out in photos. Were they removed or plated over?As far as I know 45015 was the only class 45 left that was originally built with nose end doors. Nothing else of note though.
I've read that before, but never been able to make them out in photos. Were they removed or plated over?
Judging by photos retrieved via Google, 45015 started out with split headcode boxes, with a clearly defined pair of doors in between them. At some point both the boxes and doors were removed. As such, this interesting feature was gone by the time the loco made it into 'preservation', so to speak. The only other option I can think of is that only one end of the loco has been routinely photographed as it currently exists, so the doors might languish at the other end?
It did indeed; I have two pictures of 45 015 in my archives: picture 678 here was on 5th April 1983 at St Pancras and picture 868 was at Derby on 9th July 1983. Frustratingly the quality isn't good enough to be sure the pictures are of the opposite ends, but it does demonstrate that it had been plated over.No it would definitely have been plated over at both ends many years ago. By the time they were withdrawn in the 1980s they all had the twin light treatment on the nose ends, with the 45/1s (the ETS/ETH ones) also having sealed beam headlights fitted.
Not sure when the last split headcode peak was altered but it probably wasn’t later than the early 1980s?
It did indeed; I have two pictures of 45 015 in my archives: picture 678 here was on 5th April 1983 at St Pancras and picture 868 was at Derby on 9th July 1983.
I think the nose doors were plated up very early: I don't think any locos even made it into TOPS with doors fitted. Certainly I've only ever seen one or two photos of blue 45s with nose end doors.
45053 was withdrawn around 1984 still bearing split boxes. I remember seeing it at one of the Crewe Works open days in that state (possibly the 1987 one).No it would definitely have been plated over at both ends many years ago. By the time they were withdrawn in the 1980s they all had the twin light treatment on the nose ends, with the 45/1s (the ETS/ETH ones) also having sealed beam headlights fitted.
Not sure when the last split headcode peak was altered but it probably wasn’t later than the early 1980s?
Weren't the noses completely replaceable, or am I thinking of something else?Yes that’s what I thought. The arrangement with the central headcode but with a split down the middle lasted for a while too, but I think by 1983ish they probably all had the same look and so did the 46s.
Correct. 45036 also soldiered on till the end with glass fronted centre split headcodes. I'm trying to remember what was in North Yard at Swindon too - pretty sure there was more than one 45/46 in there with original headcodes.45053 was withdrawn around 1984 still bearing split boxes. I remember seeing it at one of the Crewe Works open days in that state (possibly the 1987 one).
46037 was one of the last 46’s withdrawn in 1984 and retained the centre glass headcode boxes to the end.
I haven't heard that before but it would make sense. Certainly the proportion of Peaks which carried different styles of nose over their lives seemed much greater than was the case for 37s.Weren't the noses completely replaceable, or am I thinking of something else?
Social media users will need another loco now to be the butt of all jokes and memes.....
Weren't the noses completely replaceable, or am I thinking of something else?
Correct. 45036 also soldiered on till the end with glass fronted centre split headcodes. I'm trying to remember what was in North Yard at Swindon too - pretty sure there was more than one 45/46 in there with original headcodes.
027 as well.Pip Dunn's book "British Rail Main Line Locomotives - Specification Guide" states 45032/035/036 were withdrawn with this style headcode.
Pip Dunn's book "British Rail Main Line Locomotives - Specification Guide" states 45032/035/036 were withdrawn with this style headcode.
There's a 315 going to Wales !Social media users will need another loco now to be the butt of all jokes and memes.....
The book reckons 027 (along with 047/053/061) were withdrawn with split boxes rather than split centre panels. Is this incorrect?027 as well.
No shortage of candidates, sadly, although a few other long termers have had a bit of attention recently (25244, the ’scrap line’ at Embsay). I’d vote for 37042, stranded up by the A66.Social media users will need another loco now to be the butt of all jokes and memes.....
45s were originally blue star fitted but believe was removed on first overhaul as rarely used.Another thing I’ve been wondering about though which is also related to the nose end doors is, were the 45s actually fitted with Blue Star multiple working equipment?
I always thought that when they worked in pairs on the Midland Main Line they needed two drivers for each loco?
Is that the badly faded EW&S split-headcode 37? Or am I thinking of another one?No shortage of candidates, sadly, although a few other long termers have had a bit of attention recently (25244, the ’scrap line’ at Embsay). I’d vote for 37042, stranded up by the A66.
Only 45036 was in the Toton scrap line. I have some images of it just withdrawn inside the MPD, probably 1985 or 86.I was trying to remember if any of these were in the scrap line at Toton in the 1980s? Or were they all Swindon cut ones?
45s were originally blue star fitted but believe was removed on first overhaul as rarely used.
Only 45036 was in the Toton scrap line. I have some images of it just withdrawn inside the MPD, probably 1985 or 86.
37042 at Warcop or 47484 "Isambard Kingdom Brunel" perhaps. The 'Duff' was a bit of a celebrity at one point so maybe a good contender?Social media users will need another loco now to be the butt of all jokes and memes.....
No shortage of candidates, sadly, although a few other long termers have had a bit of attention recently (25244, the ’scrap line’ at Embsay). I’d vote for 37042, stranded up by the A66.
37042 at Warcop or 47484 "Isambard Kingdom Brunel" perhaps. The 'Duff' was a bit of a celebrity at one point so maybe a good contender?
Shame. Nobody would consider scrapping a steam loco and there's several no-hopers rusting away around the country.
Steam locos tend to be of a simpler, heavier duty construction than diesels, if you have a set of frames and wheels in good nick you're off to a good start.
It is indeed. I might have to start work on some memes to get ahead on the Preserved Diesels facebook page.Is that the badly faded EW&S split-headcode 37? Or am I thinking of another one?