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Haymarket to Dalmeny electrification

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roadierway77

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Interesting to see. I believe Network Rail Scotland's current plan is to have BEMUs up and running on the Fife Circle by the end of 2024, which implies the circle will not be fully electrified by that point. I wonder if this section and Levenmouth will be the only sections to be electrified by that point, with the rest of the circle and Thornton Jn to Dundee and Perth following later.
 

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Pleasantly surprised to see this announcement. I image this should be a fairly straightforward electrification or will any bridges need to be rebuilt/track bed lowered?

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Is work imminent then as I noticed that the temporary compound is granted for 6 months only from November 2021? Or did I pick that up wrong
 

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will be interested to see how they deal with track being so close to the end of the runway. At Glasgow airport there's couple of hundred metres to the airport boundary, a minor road then the M8 before the railway. No such buffer at Edinburgh airport. Not much scope for lowering the track either, with the River Almond nearby.
 

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will be interested to see how they deal with track being so close to the end of the runway. At Glasgow airport there's couple of hundred metres to the airport boundary, a minor road then the M8 before the railway. No such buffer at Edinburgh airport. Not much scope for lowering the track either, with the River Almond nearby.
I doubt it will be a problem in that regard, take inspiration from Manchester which has electrified railway very close to he end of the runway.
 

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will be interested to see how they deal with track being so close to the end of the runway. At Glasgow airport there's couple of hundred metres to the airport boundary, a minor road then the M8 before the railway. No such buffer at Edinburgh airport. Not much scope for lowering the track either, with the River Almond nearby.
If planes were flying above the tracks as low as that, there is already a danger they could hit a train, wires or no wires.
 

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I doubt it will be a problem in that regard, take inspiration from Manchester which has electrified railway very close to he end of the runway.

If planes were flying above the tracks as low as that, there is already a danger they could hit a train, wires or no wires.

South western end of Manchester's runway 23L is at least 1km from the railway.

Pantographs, catenary and associated stanchions are taller than any train. Some red lights will be needed, I reckon.
 

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South western end of Manchester's runway 23L is at least 1km from the railway.

Pantographs, catenary and associated stanchions are taller than any train. Some red lights will be needed, I reckon.

And what about 23R? Certainly looks close as you come into land!
 
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The Airport Branch of the railway is very close to the northern end of the original runway at Manchester , but is in a cutting. The new A555 Airport Relief Road dual-carriageway is also very close.
 

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South western end of Manchester's runway 23L is at least 1km from the railway.

Pantographs, catenary and associated stanchions are taller than any train. Some red lights will be needed, I reckon.
Unlikely the situation is no where near as bad as City of Derry which is in the "stop the trains when the runway is in use" category.
 

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Interesting to see. I believe Network Rail Scotland's current plan is to have BEMUs up and running on the Fife Circle by the end of 2024, which implies the circle will not be fully electrified by that point. I wonder if this section and Levenmouth will be the only sections to be electrified by that point, with the rest of the circle and Thornton Jn to Dundee and Perth following later.
As I understand it, and to correct my previous post on the subject, the current thinking is that the first phase of decarbonisation will include Glasgow Central to Barrhead & East Kilbride and Tweedbank to Leven. In the former case this is an EMU solution and as others have said in the latter case it is an AC battery unit solution. This will form part of the withdrawal strategy for class 156s. Battery units are likely to be deployed im other areas too once adopted, such as the Maryhill line. As also noted above by other posters we're likely looking at 2025 for the earliest introduction. But the trains which can use auto power changeover can in theory benefit immediately.
 

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will be interested to see how they deal with track being so close to the end of the runway. At Glasgow airport there's couple of hundred metres to the airport boundary, a minor road then the M8 before the railway. No such buffer at Edinburgh airport. Not much scope for lowering the track either, with the River Almond nearby.

Have a look at Southend...
 

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1. Planning permission hasn't been granted. This permission is the de facto right to continue with this scheme, ie. Edinburgh Council will not object to the project in principle. It's basically a rubber stamp exercise saying "we acknowledge you want to string knitting up, so continue working on it and we won't stop you until something needs addressing (like bridge rebuilding or shouty residents)

2. The temporary compound has been granted for six months with preemptive permission, ie. if works overrun, the compound permission can be extended. Having the compound will also help with other drainage works, and given the land isn't expecting another user until 2024, it's always easier to extend planning permission while already in place than to ask for it retrospectively.

3. Any plane low enough to hit the wires will already be low enough to hit the 15ft boundary fence, and the quite tall approach lights to the east of the runway. The airport did put in a challenge to the wiring, but this was subsequently withdrawn one NR told then where to get off.

4. There are four overbridges that need attention. The first two are a lanes near South Queensferry, neither open to heavy traffic. Main Street is a footpath, and the farm lane off Standingstane Road is only open to access.

Three is the Glasgow Road (A8) overbridge near Gateway station. That would be impossible to demolish and start again, but while building Gateway the track was lowered slightly, and therefore surge arresters should be sufficient.

Four is the bridge on Ladywell avenue.

All these are solvable without demolition from what I've heard, and surge arresters seem to be the way to go, with certain important people at NRScot paying close attention to the trial in Cardiff.
 

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... "Any plane low enough to hit the wires will already be low enough to hit the 15ft boundary fence, and the quite tall approach lights to the east of the runway." ...
My thoughts exactly. I couldn't be bothered checking late last night, but in fact the runway's Aiming Point Markings are about 950 metres from the railway line.
 

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Have they worked out how to wire the Forth Bridge?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Forth Bridge is never wired as it's a short distance between North Queensferry and Dalmeny and battery power can be used, and it would save trying to work around its listed and world heritage status
 

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will be interested to see how they deal with track being so close to the end of the runway. At Glasgow airport there's couple of hundred metres to the airport boundary, a minor road then the M8 before the railway. No such buffer at Edinburgh airport. Not much scope for lowering the track either, with the River Almond nearby.
At the end of the runway at Glasgow Airport there is a short stretch of special minimum height catenary on the Gourock line. Incidentally - but rather OT - there's a similar arrangement at Gioia del Colle in Southern Italy, where the Bari-Taranto line passes the end of the runway at the joint Italian/US Air Force base, from where the raids on Lybia were launched several years ago.
 

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My thoughts exactly. I couldn't be bothered checking late last night, but in fact the runway's Aiming Point Markings are about 950 metres from the railway line.
Isn't there also a length a 'trip wire' too which would automatically turn signals in the area to red if a plane comes into contact with it? My recollection is that this should be above the height of any OHLE that would be erected.
 

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Isn't there also a length a 'trip wire' too which would automatically turn signals in the area to red if a plane comes into contact with it? My recollection is that this should be above the height of any OHLE that would be erected.
That system is also employed at Gatwick and Tees-side Airports and I believe formerly at Valley on Anglesey.
 

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Isn't there also a length a 'trip wire' too which would automatically turn signals in the area to red if a plane comes into contact with it? My recollection is that this should be above the height of any OHLE that would be erected.
Judging by this image, I would say that the tripwire, approach lights and "15ft fence" referred to above would all be below the level of any OHLE.
 

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anyone know if the Almond chord is back on the agenda? If so I do hope passive provision is being made for the junction in the electrification scheme. Would be a shame to have to tear bits of it down again.
 

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