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Sundays - back to the traditional?

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Xenophon PCDGS

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I was talking to a security guard in his mid-50's last week in Handforth town centre, who is a Catholic. The shift pattern he is on is permanent nights from Wednesday through to Monday on 12-hour shifts on an industrial estate and as such cannot attend the evening Mass on Saturday night and any on a Sunday. He was reassured by his parish priest not to worry about matters.
 
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There is a choice. If not working weekends is important to you, choose a job/career where you don't normally have to work weekends, such as most office work.
That sounds remarkably similar to no actual choice.
 

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I remember the Sundays of my youth in the 1980’s. Generally they consisted of singing in the Church choir in the morning, and then a Sunday roast at home with my Mum and Dad and Brother. Sunday dinner at home was always lovely because it was where we would laugh and talk and spend time together because Dad mostly worked 6 days a week.

Depending on the time of year depended how enjoyable a Sunday afternoon could be. Summer Sundays with great weather would find us out in the garden all afternoon. We rarely had a car in the 1980’s and when my Dad did have a car we would have some great drives out to The Railway at Mobberley where we would sit in the beer garden and watch the planes taking off or landing at Manchester, and then walk over to the signal box and chat to the signalman who my Dad knew.

But most Sundays there was very little to do. As much as I prefer the slowness of Sundays past (a bit of which I experienced again for quite a while each day after March 2020), nowadays I do prefer to see hustle and bustle in town centres on a Sunday.

There’s a certain time on a Sunday afternoon that even today still feels like Sundays of old. If I don’t have anything planned, I find the period from about 3.30pm onwards a bit of a barren time because this is when everything starts closing down, such as supermarkets, attractions, shops and so on. Thankfully the world of hospitality mostly continues on beyond this time.
 
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That sounds remarkably similar to no actual choice.

It is definitely a choice. Generic office work isn't particularly hard to get into if you want that (the skills involved are very basic, and many already have them), and almost all of it is Monday-Friday 9am-5:30pm or thereabouts.

I can see that you might not want to because generic office administration is more than a little bit boring compared to "playing trains", but in any job you take the rough with the smooth - no job is perfect.
 

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Generic office work isn't particularly hard to get into if you want that (the skills involved are very basic, and many already have them), and almost all of it is Monday-Friday 9am-5:30pm or thereabouts.
Unfortunately, two of the main skills required - literacy and numeracy - are sadly lacking in a lot of cases.
 

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There’s a certain time on a Sunday afternoon that even today still feels like Sundays of old. If I don’t have anything planned, I find the period from about 3.30pm onwards a bit of a barren time because this is when everything starts closing down, such a supermarkets, attractions, shops and so on. Thankfully the world of hospitality mostly continues on beyond this time.
Before around the late 1980s, pubs were only permitted to open 12 - 2pm and 7 - 10:30pm on Sundays. That meant that to get a pub lunch, you needed to get there and order before about 1pm, and if you were coming home from a day out or weekend away, you couldn't stop in for a refreshment break until 7pm.

I think there would be huge objections to any suggestion of reinstating that regime!
 

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Before around the late 1980s, pubs were only permitted to open 12 - 2pm and 7 - 10:30pm on Sundays. That meant that to get a pub lunch, you needed to get there and order before about 1pm, and if you were coming home from a day out or weekend away, you couldn't stop in for a refreshment break until 7pm.

I think there would be huge objections to any suggestion of reinstating that regime!

It'd be interesting to see, in England (as distinct from Scotland), what would happen if Sunday trading restrictions were removed. I doubt it would just turn into a copy of Saturday - it hasn't in Scotland. Other than large 24hr supermarkets which genuinely aren't locked up at all from week to week other than Christmas etc, shopping days are generally shorter.

24 hour licencing, for instance, hasn't resulted in actual 24 hour drinking. It's just meant pubs and clubs often open an hour or two later. There just isn't much demand for a pint at 5am.
 

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I remember the Sundays of my youth in the 1980’s. Generally they consisted of singing in the Church choir in the morning, and then a Sunday roast at home with my Mum and Dad and Brother. Sunday dinner at home was always lovely because it was where we would laugh and talk and spend time together because Dad mostly worked 6 days a week.

Depending on the time of year depended how enjoyable a Sunday afternoon could be. Summer Sundays with great weather would find us out in the garden all afternoon. We rarely had a car in the 1980’s and when my Dad did have a car we would have some great drives out to The Railway at Mobberley where we would sit in the beer garden and watch the planes taking off or landing at Manchester, and then walk over to the signal box and chat to the signalman who my Dad knew.

But most Sundays there was very little to do. As much as I prefer the slowness of Sundays past (a bit of which I experienced again for quite a while each day after March 2020), nowadays I do prefer to see hustle and bustle in town centres on a Sunday.

There’s a certain time on a Sunday afternoon that even today still feels like Sundays of old. If I don’t have anything planned, I find the period from about 3.30pm onwards a bit of a barren time because this is when everything starts closing down, such a supermarkets, attractions, shops and so on. Thankfully the world of hospitality mostly continues on beyond this time.

I was probably responsible, along with others, for your enjoyment of watching deps / arrivals at Mobberley and both my late parents would cycle there, this after WW2, to that pub, likewise myself, albeit no pub involved as it was evident from my youthful good looks I wasn't 18 on my many trips around this bit of Cheshire starting in Timperley.

I would not, however, ever wish to see a return to what is termed a "traditional Sunday "...nice, as you say, on a Summers day, soul destroying in Winter. People of faith, any faith, can and do practice on a Sunday so there are no constraints there, other, than I suppose, peer influence as to the now many other options available.

As for working, well shifts were always an integral to my working life, so working Sunday and BH's made no difference really, although it did have the downside of not being able to participate in my hobby as often as I would have wished. I actually found it "difficult" initially when I eventually made the transition back to a standard week having become used to planning around my shifts.
 

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Before around the late 1980s, pubs were only permitted to open 12 - 2pm and 7 - 10:30pm on Sundays. That meant that to get a pub lunch, you needed to get there and order before about 1pm, and if you were coming home from a day out or weekend away, you couldn't stop in for a refreshment break until 7pm.

I think there would be huge objections to any suggestion of reinstating that regime!

This was the Licensing Act of 1988 which extended opening hours on all days of the week, and in particular got rid of the compulsory afternoon closure of English pubs. Before this act was passed, pubs had to close between 3pm and 5:30pm.

I think this act also removed the last few areas in Wales that were "dry" on Sundays, ie. where pubs were not allowed to open at all.

Flouting of the rules was widespread.

I remember the first time I went to Northern Ireland, in 1986, and I was informed that if I went round the back door of the pub at 1pm on Sunday and gave the secret knock, I would be allowed into the pub. (which were "allegedly" closed all day.

Lock ins past the compulsory closing time of 11pm were common as well.

I don't think there is the slightest chance of Sunday pub hours in England being reduced.

It would be political suicide for anyone when even attempted this, especially after the battering that the hospitality trade has taken over the past two years, with a lot of restrictions which have now been shown to be completely pointless. (Scotch Egg anyone?)
 

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I must admit that I really enjoy the calm of a Sunday as a way to relax before hitting work again on a Monday.
I’m not religious but I like the fact that it feels different to the other days of the week.

Is that also part of your thinking about this @Philip?

Yes, that has something to do with it. I have worked many Sunday shifts for overtime over the last 15 years but (other than last year) have scaled down on them in recent years and have not worked Sunday for a few months at present.

The shifts on Sunday don't feel as enjoyable even if it is am 'easy' shift, but conversely Sundays feel more enjoyable (regardless of what I'm doing) by not going to work.
 
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