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However, the impeachment didn't secure a conviction of Trump - he was acquitted.
He was never going to be convicted but the finding of guilt still stands.
I think both sides, after losing an election, need to accept reality and the results of the vote, and focus on winning the next election rather than always focusing on what happened last time.
He wasn't impeached because of anything relating to the 2016 election. He was impeached because of his unconstitutional, illegal behaviour while he was president.

The leadership of the Democratic party was opposed to impeachment, it was his actions in requesting foreign interference in the 2020 election cycle that forced their hand.
 
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He was never going to be convicted but the finding of guilt still stands.

He wasn't impeached because of anything relating to the 2016 election. He was impeached because of his unconstitutional, illegal behaviour while he was president.

The leadership of the Democratic party was opposed to impeachment, it was his actions in requesting foreign interference in the 2020 election cycle that forced their hand.
Once again let me just clarify that I'm no supporter of Trump, but isn't it quite clear that the Democrats were looking for an excuse for impeachment long before the Ukraine issue happened?
 

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Biden has now reached 80million votes, Trump will/should/maybe reach 74million shortly as well ( clue is New york state)
 

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Once again let me just clarify that I'm no supporter of Trump, but isn't it quite clear that the Democrats were looking for an excuse for impeachment long before the Ukraine issue happened?
No. Nancy Pelosi is on record as saying that impeachment over the events of the 2016 Election cycle was counterproductive. However, a sitting president making military aid to a friendly foreign government engaged in a war against a government hostile to the US contingent on that foreign government interfering in a US election was something that couldn't be ignored.

There were plenty of other things that they could have launched impeachment enquiries over earlier if they wanted to.
 

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Once again let me just clarify that I'm no supporter of Trump, but isn't it quite clear that the Democrats were looking for an excuse for impeachment long before the Ukraine issue happened?
Some of them were, but others such as Pelosi knew that it would never get through the Senate particularly when the charges were rather obscure and he claimed to have been absolved by the official investigation (whereas in fact Mueller moreorless said he would have been charged if he hadn't been President). The Ukraine business was probably more likely to come across as wrong to the wider public, and as mentioned forced the hand of the Democratic leadership. But again he was in a situation where he could claim to have been cleared, probably coming out stronger at the end of the day.
 

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Some of them were, but others such as Pelosi knew that it would never get through the Senate particularly when the charges were rather obscure and he claimed to have been absolved by the official investigation (whereas in fact Mueller moreorless said he would have been charged if he hadn't been President). The Ukraine business was probably more likely to come across as wrong to the wider public, and as mentioned forced the hand of the Democratic leadership. But again he was in a situation where he could claim to have been cleared, probably coming out stronger at the end of the day.

Was this all linked to Biden son laptop?
 

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But again he was in a situation where he could claim to have been cleared, probably coming out stronger at the end of the day.
This is why the Democratic leadership were opposed to impeachment - there was no way he would be convicted by the GOP-controlled senate. But his actions with Ukraine were so clearly wrong that they had no choice but to do something.
Was this all linked to Biden son laptop?
No. The Hunter Biden laptop 'scandal' was a fever-dream invention of the right-wing media in the latter stages of the election cycle. It had no relation to the impeachment.
 

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No. The Hunter Biden laptop 'scandal' was a fever-dream invention of the right-wing media in the latter stages of the election cycle. It had no relation to the impeachment.
I wonder if the impeachment immunised Biden to some extent against "laptopgate" or whatever they called it. Another Trumped-up accusation against Hunter Biden may have convinced the base, but swing voters may just have been reminded what the Donald got away with last time he tried that.
 

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This is why the Democratic leadership were opposed to impeachment - there was no way he would be convicted by the GOP-controlled senate. But his actions with Ukraine were so clearly wrong that they had no choice but to do something.

No. The Hunter Biden laptop 'scandal' was a fever-dream invention of the right-wing media in the latter stages of the election cycle. It had no relation to the impeachment.

Isnt the laptop the whole reason why Trumped as Ukraine, If not its pretty random.
 

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Isnt the laptop the whole reason why Trumped as Ukraine, If not its pretty random.
The laptop was a non-story, invented by conspiracy nuts. Again, to summarise: Hunter Biden took laptop(s) from his home in California to a computer repair shop in Delaware and then forgot to collect them. The laptop(s) (which had no password/encryption) happened to contain incriminating evidence about his family's business dealings in Ukraine. We know that it was Hunter Biden because the legally blind owner of the repair shop saw him (though the CCTV images have been deleted). The laptops have now disappeared, but the repair shop owner copied the hard drives and kept the copied data.
 

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The laptop was a non-story, invented by conspiracy nuts. Again, to summarise: Hunter Biden took laptop(s) from his home in California to a computer repair shop in Delaware and then forgot to collect them. The laptop(s) (which had no password/encryption) happened to contain incriminating evidence about his family's business dealings in Ukraine. We know that it was Hunter Biden because the legally blind owner of the repair shop saw him (though the CCTV images have been deleted). The laptops have now disappeared, but the repair shop owner copied the hard drives and kept the copied data.

You have to wonder why Trump picked Ukraine.
 

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The laptop was a non-story, invented by conspiracy nuts. Again, to summarise: Hunter Biden took laptop(s) from his home in California to a computer repair shop in Delaware and then forgot to collect them. The laptop(s) (which had no password/encryption) happened to contain incriminating evidence about his family's business dealings in Ukraine. We know that it was Hunter Biden because the legally blind owner of the repair shop saw him (though the CCTV images have been deleted). The laptops have now disappeared, but the repair shop owner copied the hard drives and kept the copied data.
Well i'm convinced! :p
 

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It's an agreed fact that Hunter Biden worked for a company in Ukraine, and he's essentially admitted that he got the job because of his name rather than his abilities.
So what? People getting jobs that they aren't qualified for because of their name, the school they attended, their friends, who they're married to or how they look isn't a crime. If it was half of the world's business execs would be in jail.

(Oh, and a White House advisor or two...)
 
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So what? People getting jobs that they aren't qualified for because of their name, the school they attended, their friends, who they're married to or how they look isn't a crime. If it was half of the world's business execs would be in jail.
(cough) Baroness Harding ...
 

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So what? People getting jobs that they aren't qualified for because of their name, the school they attended, their friends, who they're married to or how they look isn't a crime. If it was half of the world's business execs would be in jail.

(Oh, and a White House advisor or two...)
Indeed, neither side made much of a fuss about that particular aspect. "Laptopgate" alleged that he fixed up a meeting between his father (when vice-president) and some of the people he was connected with, and the thing that led to impeachment was Trump fishing for anything incriminating about Hunter Biden's role.
 

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What no one is talking about that new court doc from Sidney Powell, epsiecal with the two spelling mistakes in the tiles on the first page? It's even strange since its Thanksgiving in US so who is going to notice?
 

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What no one is talking about that new court doc from Sidney Powell, epsiecal with the two spelling mistakes in the tiles on the first page? It's even strange since its Thanksgiving in US so who is going to notice?

I'm enjoying watching it being ripped it to shreds on the Law subreddit. Not as entertaining as watching it get laughed out of actual court but you get yer kicks where you can.
 

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I am enjoying the fact that the Wisconsin recount, which cost Trump $3 million, has ended up giving MORE votes to Biden.
 

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I am enjoying the fact that the Wisconsin recount, which cost Trump $3 million, has ended up giving MORE votes to Biden.

Maybe that's the first time ever that the various Trump campaign funds have actually achieved something good and useful with the money they've spent :lol:
 

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Bitter Trump fans have started putting up attack ads on billboards (and i assume elsewhere) telling voters not to vote for the GOP candidates in the Georgia senator run off.
 

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A full-on GOP civil war would be... fascinating. ;)

Its been like that for 4 years now., GOP has never liked Trump, Paul Ryan the Former Speaker of the House never liked him, nor did many others.


Good isn't it? I hope they succeed..Biden will then be able to get a LOT done over the next four years.

Hold your horses, If dems won those two seats it only get them to tie, and let's be very clear here.. Democrat West Virginia, Joe Manchin will not allow half the stuff that is being suggested, he is a very right wing ie centrist senate. Certain people in the Democratic party do not like him, like AOC.

This was beautiful....


Governor had no choice, people voted the votes were checked and nothing has been found that would prove the machines or ballots were inaccurate.
 
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Governor had no choice, people voted the votes were checked and nothing has been found that would prove the machines or ballots were inaccurate.
Oh, that I agree with. The beautiful part about it is that you can be pretty sure that Trump saw his call being sent to voicemail live...
 

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Hold your horses, If dems won those two seats it only get them to tie, and let's be very clear here.. Democrat West Virginia, Joe Manchin will not allow half the stuff that is being suggested, he is a very right wing ie centrist senate. Certain people in the Democratic party do not like him, like AOC.

Yes..with Kamala Harris having the casting vote. Even with a recalcitrant senator in their midst the Democrats would be in a pretty strong position.
 
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