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Class 380 Refurbishment and Updates

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They certainly have nice interiors that get all the fundamentals right. A refresh will be very welcome, and keep them pleasant to travel in. I certainly think they're better than the 385s.

The internals are pretty much fine, just wish they'd fine tune the bogies a bit. After 10 years it never really smoothed out, the 385s meanwhile seem to have softened up a bit with use.

Personally I think the exterior design got a bit of a thrashing from the ugly stick, but hey. :)

As gangwayed stock goes, probably one of the better modern designs imo
 

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The internals are pretty much fine, just wish they'd fine tune the bogies a bit. After 10 years it never really smoothed out, the 385s meanwhile seem to have softened up a bit with use.



As gangwayed stock goes, probably one of the better modern designs imo

The 196 trains for West Midlands remind me of a squashed 380 in a way.

I can agree with the bogies. There are some particularly rough sections of track on the Ayrshire Coast, notably being between Lochwinnoch and Howwood and between Irvine and Barassie.
 

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I've taken a few 380 journeys in the last year and they seem to be in very good shape. Obviously 385's are a step forward (a decade later in technology) but 380's still feel new-ish. Can't believe that they are being put forward for refurb when 318's and 320's are still lurking around and becoming dated.

When will these show up on the North Clyde & Argyle routes? It's about time that we get a new class up here.
 

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I've taken a few 380 journeys in the last year and they seem to be in very good shape. Obviously 385's are a step forward (a decade later in technology) but 380's still feel new-ish. Can't believe that they are being put forward for refurb when 318's and 320's are still lurking around and becoming dated.

When will these show up on the North Clyde & Argyle routes? It's about time that we get a new class up here.

Not any time soon. If they were to show up on those routes it would be a reduction in capacity, particularly on the Argyle line where it's island platforms. As the carriages are longer you wouldn't be able to run multiple units on the Argyle. The North Clyde has some more wiggle room for extension, but not so much the Argyle.

I was on a 318 and 320 yesterday, I quite like the interior as the recent refurbishment did them all some good. Particularly the 320s which were beginning to look extremely tired.
 

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Not any time soon. If they were to show up on those routes it would be a reduction in capacity, particularly on the Argyle line where it's island platforms. As the carriages are longer you wouldn't be able to run multiple units on the Argyle. The North Clyde has some more wiggle room for extension, but not so much the Argyle.

I was on a 318 and 320 yesterday, I quite like the interior as the recent refurbishment did them all some good. Particularly the 320s which were beginning to look extremely tired.

Thanks for the info, could see how it would be a struggle for the Argyle line, especially at some of the island platform stations. Hopefully they get something newer eventually though.

I actually wish that they would send more 318's back to Inverclyde and Ayrshire - it's a treat to go on them at their fastest with good scenery. 320's should just be dumped on old 314 routes like Cathcart, Paisley Canal and any 'reserve' duties at this point (plus perhaps Maryhill if it ever got electrified) as whilst they did get a minor refurb inside, I still feel that they're past their prime.

On the topic of the 380 refurb, it doesn't look like too much, just a minor update. Probably a good thing as they didn't need much of one.
 

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Thanks for the info, could see how it would be a struggle for the Argyle line, especially at some of the island platform stations. Hopefully they get something newer eventually though.

I actually wish that they would send more 318's back to Inverclyde and Ayrshire - it's a treat to go on them at their fastest with good scenery. 320's should just be dumped on old 314 routes like Cathcart, Paisley Canal and any 'reserve' duties at this point (plus perhaps Maryhill if it ever got electrified) as whilst they did get a minor refurb inside, I still feel that they're past their prime.

On the topic of the 380 refurb, it doesn't look like too much, just a minor update. Probably a good thing as they didn't need much of one.

Agreed with all of that. If anything, a new stock order would most likely result in a 334 cascade out to the Cathcart and Inverclyde lines. Anyway, at the fear of straying off topic, the 380s have held up remarkably well unlike some other stock after 10 years in intensive commuter service across the Central Belt. This refresh will do them good. The only let down is that they aren't installing sockets at the airline seats.
 

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380007 workings today (25/09/2020):

Today’s workings may be subject to change due to signalling problems at Glengarnock

5T00 - 05:02 Ayr CSD to Largs
1T00 06:42 Largs to Kilwinning (vice Glasgow Central due to signalling problems)
2T03 07:53 Kilwinning to Largs
1T36 09:53 Largs to Paisley Gilmour Street
2K69 10:44 Paisley Gilmour Street to Ayr
5K69 11:37 Ayr to Ayr C.S.D.

Does anyone know if another unit has gone into Shields Road TMD for the refurbishment?
380015 stopped at Shields 22/09/2020 for refurb.
 

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The 196 trains for West Midlands remind me of a squashed 380 in a way.

I can sort of see the similarity, but I think the 380s look better.


I can agree with the bogies. There are some particularly rough sections of track on the Ayrshire Coast, notably being between Lochwinnoch and Howwood and between Irvine and Barassie.

I remember that from day one and the 334s still about at the time didn't exhibit the same behaviour leading me assume it was the 380's suspension that wasn't so good at taking on more worn track.

I've taken a few 380 journeys in the last year and they seem to be in very good shape. Obviously 385's are a step forward (a decade later in technology) but 380's still feel new-ish. Can't believe that they are being put forward for refurb when 318's and 320's are still lurking around and becoming dated.

When will these show up on the North Clyde & Argyle routes? It's about time that we get a new class up here.

Probably won't be for at least 5 years, the (318s/320s have a total life of about 40 years - typical for EMUs). And the issue with 380s is firstly they have low-density 2+2 seating and secondly they are nominally 23m vehicles which might not fit the clearances everywhere I'm not sure (334s are 20/21m and 318/320 nominally 20m length).


On the topic of the 380 refurb, it doesn't look like too much, just a minor update. Probably a good thing as they didn't need much of one.

I think it could be termed more of a "refresh" than a "refurb", probably a more apt description given they aren't doing anything major
 

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Looks like 380007 is spending the day in Ayr Townhead. Can’t find any workings for it

380007 workings for today:
2I11 - 06:15 Cathcart Inner Circle
2O22 - 08:51 Cathcart Outer Circle
2M86 - 09:45 Glasgow Central - Newton
2M87 - 10:18 Newton - Glasgow Central
2I31 - 11:15 Cathcart Inner Circle
2O32 - 11:51 Cathcart Outer Circle
2M74 - 12:45 Glasgow Central - Newton
2M75 - 13:19 Newton - Glasgow Central
2I19 - 14:15 Cathcart Inner Circle
2O22 - 14:51 Cathcart Outer Circle
1G35 - 16:52 Glasgow Central - Gourock
2G72 - 17:45 Gourock - Glasgow Central
2M74 - 18:45 Glasgow Central - Newton
2M75 - 19:19 Newton - Glasgow Central
2I19 - 20:15 Cathcart Inner Circle
2O22 - 20:50 Cathcart Outer Circle
2M86 - 21:45 Glasgow Central - Newton
2M87 - 22:19 Newton - Glasgow Central
2I31 - 23:15 Cathcart Inner Circle
 
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Probably won't be for at least 5 years, the (318s/320s have a total life of about 40 years - typical for EMUs). And the issue with 380s is firstly they have low-density 2+2 seating and secondly they are nominally 23m vehicles which might not fit the clearances everywhere I'm not sure (334s are 20/21m and 318/320 nominally 20m length).
It's not likely in any number of years given they're too long to run in multiple on the North Clyde or Argyle Lines. More likely to see a new build fleet to replace all three at once.
 

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It's not likely in any number of years given they're too long to run in multiple on the North Clyde or Argyle Lines. More likely to see a new build fleet to replace all three at once.

That was another reason I considered that clearance wouldn't be given. I too fully expected and expect the 318/320s to be jointly replaced by a new built fleet and not by 380s.
 

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Clearance shouldn't be an issue on the North Clyde - the original 303's were wider than BR standard.
 

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Not width that's an issue (between Rutherglen & Yoker CSD anyway). They're 23m vehicles rather than the 20m of the 318, 320 and 334.

The 380 fleet is already spoken for so it's not going to be moved to the North Clyde.
 

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Updated the list to include that 380020 also has LED’s but an unrefurbished interior. 380015 is also out in service today. 380007 has also gained LED lighting inside.

380015 doesn’t seem have to have had much done externally. But internally she looks a lot tidier.

380 Refresh scheme 2020 - List of refurbished/unrefurbished units - updated 02/10/2020

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indicates the unit has been completed and is now in service.

Class 380/0

380001 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380002 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380003 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380004 - In Service, unrefurbished
380005 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380006 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380007 - In Service, Refurbished (23/09/2020)
380008 - In service, unrefurbished
380009 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380010 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380011 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380012 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380013 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380014 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380015 - In service, refurbished (01/10/2020)
380016 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380017 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380018 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380019 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380020 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380021 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380022 - In Service, Unrefurbished

Class 380/1

380101 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380102 - In Service, Unrefurbished with leather seating upholstery left behind due to the failed trial of bringing temporary First Class onto the 380s.
380103 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380104 - In service, unrefurbished
380105 - In Service, Unrefurbished with leather seating upholstery left behind due to the failed trial of bringing temporary First Class onto the 380s.
380106 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380107 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380108 - In service, unrefurbished
380109 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380110 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380111 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380112 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380113 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380114 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380115 - In Service, Unrefurbished
380116 - Unknown (23/09/2020)
 
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On the subject of this. They are making their way steadily through the 4 car sets now, with the bulk of the 3 car sets done. I’d imagine things slowed down over Christmas. From sight, 380102 and 104 have definitely had the refurbishment done.

When I compare a refurbished unit to a non refurbished one, the difference is quite noticeable. It’s well needed
 

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10 years old already, helpo_O

I know! It's surreal. I remember attempting to get my first ride on one and it broke down before it even left the platform at Glasgow Central. Swapped to a 318 which went limited stop to Ayr. Calling only at Paisley, Kilwinning and Ayr.
 

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They may well be due a paint refresh as one of the things mentioned was some new paint. A few of the 380s I've seen today are beginning to look very tatty on the exterior, particularly around the doors.

Bit late to this one but my reading of the press release is the paint refresh was to internal surfaces.

No mention of external repainting and does the depot have the capability do it in any case?
 

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Bit late to this one but my reading of the press release is the paint refresh was to internal surfaces.

No mention of external repainting and does the depot have the capability do it in any case?

There was no external painting done as expected, but it wouldn't go amiss.
 

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I know! It's surreal. I remember attempting to get my first ride on one and it broke down before it even left the platform at Glasgow Central. Swapped to a 318 which went limited stop to Ayr. Calling only at Paisley, Kilwinning and Ayr.

Yes I remember going on one in December 2010, only one or two were out on Ayr services. Was really cold and snowy in Glasgow/Lanrkshire, December was really cold and snowy in 2010. Got down to Ayrshire on 380 , nae snaw!
 
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