Class 43 disposals

[ExRes]

Updated info from WNXX this morning says the six buffered power cars 43423/465/467/468/480/484 plus 43296 & 43308, three buffered and one non in each of two sets with a pair of 60s running from Chaddesden to Ely today to provide the haulage

 

[TrainTrackJack]

Tomorrows move from Ely seems to have the TSC code of DC Rail. I wonder what that could be then.

 

[DB]

Tomorrows move from Ely seems to have the TSC code of DC Rail. I wonder what that could be then.

Power cars to Eastleigh.

 

[43 302]

43296, 308, 423, 465, 467, 468, 480 & 484. Split in two moves.

 

[Mack91]

So now we know the identities of the powercars involved, that DC Rail are hauling them in two runs, that Hanson and Hall have something to do with them, and general idea is that they aren't for scrap. What are they for then?

 

[DB]

A lot of debate about what is happening with them with both scrap and reuse being thrown around

As 43096 has already pointed out on one of these threads, if they were starting scrapping they wouldn't start with the best examples.

Those ex-GC power cars (all six of the buffered ones) were the last to receive the major rebuild involving new engines, cooler groups, control electronics and a rewire.

 

[4REP]

And many of the surpus Mk3s have been scrapped, so what use are the power cars on their own anyway?

Replace the 08 shunter at depots

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Not totally sure what mods remain on the buffered PCs since their DVT days but could the fact they are buffered make the difference as far as engineering or high speed freight use? It would explain why those examples were picked first. Having said that the newness may be the downfall as far as scrapping is concerned as they have had the most down time since being retired from GC duties, they weren’t used much on MML so when was the last overhaul?

 

[TrainTrackJack]

Any news on the move today then?

 

[43096]

Any news on the move today then?

60046 currently taking 43308/423/467/468 on 6Q42 to Eastleigh.

Should be 60028 with 43296/465/480/484 to follow on 6Q43.

 

[DB]

Not totally sure what mods remain on the buffered PCs since their DVT days but could the fact they are buffered make the difference as far as engineering or high speed freight use? It would explain why those examples were picked first. Having said that the newness may be the downfall as far as scrapping is concerned as they have had the most down time since being retired from GC duties, they weren’t used much on MML so when was the last overhaul?

So far as I'm aware nothing remains apart form the buffers - they were rewired by Brush when the MTU engines were fitted.

MTU engines are overhauled on the basis of hours they have been running, so they will have been overhauled to the same schedule as any other MTU power car.

 

[43096]

So far as I'm aware nothing remains apart form the buffers - they were rewired by Brush when the MTU engines were fitted.

The rewiring was done by DML before their first use with Grand Central (which effectively removed the TDM system), but yes, they are standard apart from the buffers.

 

[fgwrich]

The rewiring was done by DML before their first use with Grand Central (which effectively removed the TDM system), but yes, they are standard apart from the buffers.

I'd forgotten they had gone down to DML Devonport. Possibly the last Power Cars to go there?

 

[43096]

I'd forgotten they had gone down to DML Devonport. Possibly the last Power Cars to go there?

I’ll have to check the dates, but likely the last to get work done there. The last VP185 conversions for EMT were to be done there and one power car went down but think DML pulled out of rail work at that point and the contract cancelled: the work was done at the premier HST depot instead.

 

[ExRes]

It's been reported on se-gen that there isn't enough storage space at Eastleigh for the second batch of 43s delivered today, an STP schedule is showing on RTT for their transfer from Eastleigh Works to Willesden TMD 0936 on friday

 

[73128]

understand that one rake is returning to Willesden tomorrow morning because Eastleigh has no room for them!!

Realtime Trains - FRGT 0936 Eastleigh Works-alstom-fl to Willesden T.M.D

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Have these ones at Eastleigh been scrapped then? Do Eastleigh scrap or will they go from there to somewhere like Sims?

 

[TrainTrackJack]

no news yet

 

[444045]

0936 Eastleigh Works to Willesden departed at 0902 as 0Z43 so not sure exactly what the consist might be ?

 

[ExRes]

60046 running as 0936 0Z43 Eastleigh Works to Willesden TMD, it is hauling two buffered 43s, 43467 plus another, either side of the two non buffered ones

Now reported on se-gen as 43467, 43308, 43296, 43423 which would leave 465/468/480/484 at Eastleigh

 

[fgwrich]

0936 Eastleigh Works to Willesden departed at 0902 as 0Z43 so not sure exactly what the consist might be ?

It left Eastleigh 40 Early then was held to time at Wallers Ash loops, ended up 7 late through Basingstoke in the end.

 

[ExRes]

Comment on Hanson & Hall facebook today alongside pictures of 0Z43

"Off to short term storage today"

 

[warwickshire]

There is a video on the hst Facebook enthusiasts page and at willesden look Depot where its being temporary stored.
Showing 60046 William willberforce. Hard at work shunting them into the yard.
However its worthy to note that they have been split into two 125 power cars each. On separate stabling roads. The four power cars are no longer together. Have been Seperated into two different pairs off two. Maybe in time going elsewhere maybe.

 

[ExRes]

Reported on WNXX this morning that all eight power cars have been transferred into a new SCXL pool, it is possible that the Willesden four may move at some point to Dollands Moor for secure storage

 

[43096]

Reported on WNXX this morning that all eight power cars have been transferred into a new SCXL pool, it is possible that the Willesden four may move at some point to Dollands Moor for secure storage

SCXL is not a new pool code - it was first used almost 24 years ago in April 1997.

 

[43 302]

Reported on WNXX this morning that all eight power cars have been transferred into a new SCXL pool, it is possible that the Willesden four may move at some point to Dollands Moor for secure storage

SCXL is Angel stored locos is it not?

 

[ExRes]

SCXL may not be a brand new fresh out of the box pool code but it is now 'Angel Trains/Hanson & Hall Power Cars' and contains no other power cars whatsoever, is that better?

 

[43096]

SCXL may not be a brand new fresh out of the box pool code but it is now 'Angel Trains/Hanson & Hall Power Cars' and contains no other power cars whatsoever, is that better?

If you want to believe what is written on WNXX...

As 43302 says, it’s for Angel Trains stored locomotives.

 

[Domh245]

What pool had they been sat in between finishing at EMR and the move to SXCL? Have they just been moved from one stored loco pool to another?

 

[ExRes]

What pool had they been sat in between finishing at EMR and the move to SXCL? Have they just been moved from one stored loco pool to another?

296 & 308 had been in the Angel Trains Ely Locomotives SCEL pool, the other six in the EMT Class 43 EMPC pool