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Who knows what TPE management have in mind. They didn't after all favour fleet names that reflected the heritage of the north and instead opted for a star name that means something else in Spanish....

Mind to name 68028 lord president reflects off 86028 also named lord president....
 
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gimmea50anyday said:
Who knows what TPE management have in mind. They didn't after all favour fleet names that reflected the heritage of the north and instead opted for a star name that means something else in Spanish....

Mind to name 68028 lord president reflects off 86028 also named lord president....
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Or you mean 87028.
 
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That was 87 028's name. Coincidence?
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I strongly suspect that it's purely a homage to that previous loco, given that the name as originally applied to Gresley P2 No. 2003 is of Scottish derivation and hence of no relevance to either the previous class 68 naming policy or the TPE route the loco is intended to serve.

It's evident from the class 68 naming policy, if it wasn't before, that there are enthusiasts at the helm of DRS.
 
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sprinterguy said:
I strongly suspect that it's purely a homage to that previous loco, given that the name as originally applied to Gresley P2 No. 2003 is of Scottish derivation and hence of no relevance to either the previous class 68 naming policy or the TPE route the loco is intended to serve.

It's evident from the class 68 naming policy, if it wasn't before, that there are enthusiasts at the helm of DRS.
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Itsa TPE name scheme AIUI. At least a few others for the same treatment.

Don't believe all you read from certain journalists and TPE being against names... add it to the long list of nonsense spouted just like the sets themselves were enthusiasts fiction!
 
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What I think occurred with the original planned names of "Nautilus" (68026), "Endeavour" (68027), "Splendid" (68028), "Destroyer" (68029), "Enterprise" (68030), "Excelsior" (68031), "Patriot" (68032), "Courageous" (68033) and "Victorious" (68034) was that they were planned by DRS.

However, TPE has subsequently overruled this plan, at least in part, with the naming of 68028 as "Lord President", taking after 87028 (as already established).
Given that the class has already used several Class 50 names ("Achilles", "Superb", "Fearless", "Resolution" & "Valiant"; "Defiant" is close enough to 50049 "Defiance", and "Avenger" is close enough to 50020 "Revenge"), I'd expect that theme to stick at least partially.
"Courageous" & "Victorious" are both former Class 50s, and "Patriot" is a former Class 87, so those ones may well keep their positions in TPE's book.
 
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Somehow I doubt there are any enthusiasts within TPE management, at least as far as Dishwater House is concerned. The known ones left for pastures new some time ago. The 68s were named by DRS well before the TPE contract was established
 
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gimmea50anyday said:
Somehow I doubt there are any enthusiasts within TPE management, at least as far as Dishwater House is concerned. The known ones left for pastures new some time ago. The 68s were named by DRS well before the TPE contract was established
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I don't think being an enthusiast is a requisite or a guide to how good a manager in the rail industry will be.
 
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Didn't mention anything about the abilities of those in management, enthusiast or otherwise. Merely that there doesn't appear to be any enthusiasts within the current management. We were talking about loco naming and Iam highly doubtful that any loco naming has anything to do with the wishes of any of the current TPE management.
 
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gimmea50anyday said:
Didn't mention anything about the abilities of those in management, enthusiast or otherwise. Merely that there doesn't appear to be any enthusiasts within the current management. We were talking about loco naming and Iam highly doubtful that any loco naming has anything to do with the wishes of any of the current TPE management.
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Okay fair enough, sorry got getting the wring end of the stick
 
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I know a couple of cranks in TPE Management, one may have a slight passion for 87s or so I've heard...
 
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Bornin1980s said:
What is a Lord President anyway, except for Donald Trump thinking he's a god?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_President_of_the_Court_of_Session
The Lord President of the Court of Session and Lord Justice General is the most senior judge in Scotland, the head of the judiciary, and the presiding judge of the College of Justice, the Court of Session, and the High Court of Justiciary. The Lord President holds the title of Lord Justice General of Scotland and the head of the High Court of Justiciaryex officio, as the two offices were combined in 1836. The Lord President has authority over any court established under Scots law, except for the Supreme Court of the United Kingdomand the Court of the Lord Lyon.
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I propose the naval name "Cockchafer", after HMS Cockchafer.
 
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Dunno why some people bother naming locos.
Even better is people who refer to locos as "she", even if it has what would be considered a male name.
 
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whhistle said:
Dunno why some people bother naming locos.
Even better is people who refer to locos as "she", even if it has what would be considered a male name.
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I think referring to locos as female is a tradition passed down from the Navy and the maritime industry, whereby any named ship bore a female name and carried (by and large) an entirely male crew.
The Western Region "Warship" hydraulics, the Class 50s and now most of the Class 68s bear naval names.
 
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59CosG95 said:
now most of the Class 68s bear naval names.
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no they dont! Not unless there are some massively geeky RN historians within DRS.

I was told that any such connection is entirely coincidental and that the names are not linked to any name used by the Royal Navy. The words were chosen to suggest strength, solidity and power. The conversation came about as I suggested that if they were named after the ships then the ships crest would be a nice touch especially as we have family history with at least one of the ships.

If we look at the names the link with the Royal Navy is tenuous at best. Only 3 are live RN ships. I could see DRS locomotives named after RN submarines as they are built at Barrow and DRS transport naval reactor material. However I struggle with ships dating from WW1 or WW2 or earlier!

  • HMS Intrpid was an amphibious assault ship withdrawn in 1999
  • HMS Astute is a current attack submarine
  • HMS Rapid was a WW2 R Class destoryer sunk as a torpedo target in 1981
  • HMS Defiant was a film or a 1780's ship of the line! However USS Defiant is in Star Trek first contact and is commanded by Worf
  • HMS Daring is a live type 45 Destroyer
  • HMS Valiant was a WW1 battle ship although there is a USS Valiant in Star Trek
  • HMS Avenger was a WW2 escort carrier or a Type 21 frigate sold to Pakistan in 1994
  • HMS Fearless was amphibious assault ship withdrawn in 2002
  • HMS Hornet was a WW1 destroyer
  • HMS Vigilant is an active missile submarine
  • HMS Reliance was last used in the 1700's
  • HMS Tireless was an attack submarine withdrawn in 2014
  • HMS Resolution was a ballistic missile submarine withdrawn in 1994
  • HMS Achilles was a Leander class frigate sold to Chille in 1990
  • HMS Centaur was an aircraft carrier scrapped in 1970
  • HMS Superb was an attack submarine withdrawn in 2008

Of the proposed names Endevour was the name of James Cook exploration ship in the 1770's, Excelsior is a Star Trek ship, HMS Patriot was a WW1 destroyer, HMS Courageous is a semi preserved attack submarine and HMS Victorious is an active missile submarine.

If someone has alternative information I will happily offer my apologies. Personally i tihnk the name sound more like sci fi space navy ship names from Star Trek or Star Wars

PS I cant find HMS Oxford Flier ;)
 
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