Class 707 to Southeastern Dates

[Chiltern006]

they don't need a refurb just seat covers and blue grab rails and its as good as it can get lol

 

[brad465]

Some minor stuff might make sense, but a major refurb doesn't with not long left on the franchise relatively speaking.

 

[Chiltern006]

and the fact that they are very young trains

also do you think we can see (if they work well) a full metro fleet replacement to the 707s in, say, an 8 car and 10 car formations?

 

[Mikey C]

they don't need a refurb just seat covers and blue grab rails and its as good as it can get lol

They need the horrible seats removed and replaced by something better, but that's not going to happen!

 

[Metal_gee_man]

They need the horrible seats removed and replaced by something better, but that's not going to happen!

They are wide aisled, people eaters, exactly what Metro passengers require. Let's be honest they are what they are and will not be changed unless their use changes and toilets are added to make them Mainline trains. Soo yeah next...

 

[Aictos]

They are wide aisled, people eaters, exactly what Metro passengers require. Let's be honest they are what they are and will not be changed unless their use changes and toilets are added to make them Mainline trains. Soo yeah next...

You can add 1st Class to any such refurbishment as well, for now though there's nothing wrong with the interiors be it seating or anything else because as the quoted poster stated, they are ideal for Metro routes as they have the ability to hoover up crowded platforms and take more passengers then previous train types as a example posters on here have explained numerous times how much of a difference the Class 700 makes to the Class 319s etc...

All they really need is grab poles repainted, new seat covers and SE interior signage including route maps etc, anything else is simply a waste of resources.

 

[Class 466]

376s need something doing internally more than 707s really.

 

[Chiltern006]

they'll more than likely get some when the 707s can cover for 2 sets gone for a refurb

 

[Class 466]

they'll more than likely get some when the 707s can cover for 2 sets gone for a refurb

There are no plans afoot for them to have any work done.

 

[ScotGG]

As if they'll have anything done when 376s havnt in 17 years and most networkers in 30.

 

[Goldfish62]

There are no plans afoot for them to have any work done.

Not surprised. They still feel like new trains internally.

 

[py_megapixel]

Not surprised. They still feel like new trains internally.

Albeit in completely the wrong colour scheme!

 

[Class 466]

Not surprised. They still feel like new trains internally.

Albeit in completely the wrong colour scheme!

My comment was in reference to the 376s although, I guess the latter still applies with the incorrect colour scheme - not quite so sure how new they feel inside though

 

[py_megapixel]

My comment was in reference to the 376s although, I guess the latter still applies with the incorrect colour scheme

Sorry, wasn't paying attention!

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Albeit in completely the wrong colour scheme!

punters don't care about what colour the train is and nor should any of there hard earn cash be wasted on a paint job just need to change west to east and bobs your uncle

 

[Goldfish62]

Ah, I see we're back to why the 707s will never be repainted.

 

[Milo T.K]

Any of the 707s in the new livery yet?

 

[Aictos]

Any of the 707s in the new livery yet?

I shouldn't think so, least not for a while especially as there's no pressing need to do so as they've got driver/depot training to complete plus infrastructure works to clear the fleet for all routes it will serve which are more important then worrying about liveries.

 

[Goldfish62]

Any of the 707s in the new livery yet?

 

[Nogoohwell]

707's are not pleasant to ride on. Like the 700's the window seat is cramped and your legs are always at a weird angle. The passenger next to you spends most of their time on your lap and the people standing next to you are pretty much on top of you. You get less space than on a Ryanair flight.

I dont get the interior layout, the row of single seats are missing additional hand rails so that space never really gets used to capacity. As for the walk through cabins, do they really offer more space? Need hand rails in that space as their is no bulk head to lean against.

On the plus side, they are fast little beasts, a late running 707 out of Waterloo can make up time on the rails and on dwell times. They were always my choice home in the summer evenings, I would rather wait an extra 17 minutes in the office and get an aircon 707 rather than a bake-on-the-rails 455. Did I mention that they offer a much better, smoother ride? 701's have a lot to live up to in some areas.

Were these units specified by the DFT?

 

[Mikey C]

707's are not pleasant to ride on. Like the 700's the window seat is cramped and your legs are always at a weird angle. The passenger next to you spends most of their time on your lap and the people standing next to you are pretty much on top of you. You get less space than on a Ryanair flight.

I dont get the interior layout, the row of single seats are missing additional hand rails so that space never really gets used to capacity. As for the walk through cabins, do they really offer more space? Need hand rails in that space as their is no bulk head to lean against.

On the plus side, they are fast little beasts, a late running 707 out of Waterloo can make up time on the rails and on dwell times. They were always my choice home in the summer evenings, I would rather wait an extra 17 minutes in the office and get an aircon 707 rather than a bake-on-the-rails 455. Did I mention that they offer a much better, smoother ride? 701's have a lot to live up to in some areas.

Were these units specified by the DFT?

Agreed, the seating arrangement is horrible and that row of single seats is completely pointless and a massive waste of space

File:British Rail Class 707s of South West Trains - innoTrans 2016 (9).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

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[Goldfish62]

Agreed, the seating arrangement is horrible and that row of single seats is completely pointless and a massive waste of space

File:British Rail Class 707s of South West Trains - innoTrans 2016 (9).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

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A poor design specification by SWT at the time. In theory it would allowed three rows of standing passengers, but forgetting the fact that those in the middle row would have nowhere to hold on to.

Were these units specified by the DFT?

They were specified by SWT, but I suspect within constraints imposed by the DfT.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Any of the 707s in the new livery yet?

Depends on whether the young scrotes people of Grove Park are bored or not

 

[Mikey C]

A poor design specification by SWT at the time. In theory it would allowed three rows of standing passengers, but forgetting the fact that those in the middle row would have nowhere to hold on to.


They were specified by SWT, but I suspect within constraints imposed by the DfT.

Wasn't the lack of roof mounted grab handles (due to the design of the train) one of the reasons why the 707s failed some sort of DfT criteria?

 

[Bald Rick]

707's are not pleasant to ride on.

Did I mention that they offer a much better, smoother ride?

I’m confused...

 

[py_megapixel]

I’m confused...

I think @Nogoohwell is saying that, in their opinion, the overall experience is not good, but the quality of ride is a small redeeming feature

 

[Goldfish62]

Wasn't the lack of roof mounted grab handles (due to the design of the train) one of the reasons why the 707s failed some sort of DfT criteria?

As I have pointed out on other threads vertical grab rails don't have to be mounted from the ceiling. As on the 458s among others they can be mounted from the luggage tracks.

However, they can't have failed the criteria due to that because Aventras are also lacking in the vertical grab rail department.

 

[Domh245]

However, they can't have failed the criteria due to that because Aventras are also lacking in the vertical grab rail department.

The 701s have handrails (and danglies - on some, seemingly) at the point where it matters - the huge open doorways. A 707 has handles by the door, and a pair of verticals in the middle but that's it - the 701's arrangement is going to make standing in that area a lot easier with some horizontal rails at thirds (aprx) across the vehicle, and more verticals to hold on to. When between the aisles you don't need overheads as you can use the seatback ones.

 

[JaJaWa]

This video from February states they will be "painting them Southeastern blue and yellow to match our current fleet" (not sure this has been linked before).

 

[Goldfish62]

The 701s have handrails (and danglies - on some, seemingly) at the point where it matters - the huge open doorways. A 707 has handles by the door, and a pair of verticals in the middle but that's it - the 701's arrangement is going to make standing in that area a lot easier with some horizontal rails at thirds (aprx) across the vehicle, and more verticals to hold on to. When between the aisles you don't need overheads as you can use the seatback ones.

Seat back handles are a poor substitute for grab rails on a metro-type train, but agreed otherwise re the 701s.