Class 707 to Southeastern Dates

[Chiltern006]

grabrails will probably be done when there's less pressure on training etc, and when they are in full swing they can spare a unit

they remind me of the 465/9s with the orange lol

 

[ScotGG]

Why bother with handrails when the orange on the /9s helps lift the gloomy networker interior seen on the rest of the fleet?

Seriously weird they're going to all this effort for a pretty much new train but leave the rest of the metro fleet trains so tired.

 

[Class 466]

grabrails will probably be done when there's less pressure on training etc, and when they are in full swing they can spare a unit

they remind me of the 465/9s with the orange lol

They won’t be done

Blue 707009 & 010 are due to work 5Q19 11+04 Gillingham Depot to Grove Park CSD today (02/08/21).

 

[CFRAIL]

Agreed. NO Southeastern commuter will get on a 707 and recoil in disgust because the seat covers are SWT ones

A ridiculous waste of money when you see how shabby the Networkers and especially the 376s are, especially as the 707s are currently only a short term solution before a full Networker replacement plan is worked out

I certainly don't know much about this subject etc... but I imagine medium to long term we'll see a full fleet of 707 type trains (or as close a match as possible) to replace the current metro fleet of 376 & 465/66.

 

[jon0844]

Isn’t it silly repainting trains when the railway is going to be completely rebranded soon (GBR)

I wonder if the 700/717 colour scheme (inside and out, including seats) will form the basis of future GBR branded stock? It was a DfT colour scheme for the management contract system, rather than franchise, so it would make sense for the same seating from the 700s to be used on the 707s.

It does mean another exterior rebrand at some point.

 

[dorsetdesiro]

I wonder if the 700/717 colour scheme (inside and out, including seats) will form the basis of future GBR branded stock? It was a DfT colour scheme for the management contract system, rather than franchise, so it would make sense for the same seating from the 700s to be used on the 707s.

It does mean another exterior rebrand at some point.

You're probably right. GBR could get a all navy blue livery with the red chopsticks BR logo and white lettering reflecting the union flag. The 700-717 blue seating fabric to be used across all rolling stock perhaps? This'll be interesting to watch how this gets rolled out, with various TOC liveries such as EMR - gonna be messy! The new 810s may debut with the GBR livery from the start. It looks like the 707s are just getting a temporary refresh ahead of a future new GBR livery.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Those SWT seat covers, still in good condition, will be of no further use to anyone. A waste.

with minimal progress on the 701's im sure SWR would appreciate having a few spare for the units that won't be leaving anytime soon

 

[Class 466]

with minimal progress on the 701's im sure SWR would appreciate having a few spare for the units that won't be leaving anytime soon

With the service cut backs I can imagine it won’t be many that get left behind beyond another 6-12 months.

 

[Goldfish62]

The new 810s may debut with the GBR livery from the start.

Considering that the Class 810s are currently in build, the legislation to enable the creation of GBR is not going to be passed by parliament until 2023 at the earliest, no decision has yet been made on train branding and the fact that GBR may never happen if there's an early election suggests this probably won't be the case.

 

[Geoff_K]

They won’t be done

Blue 707009 & 010 are due to work 5Q19 11+04 Gillingham Depot to Grove Park CSD today (02/08/21).

Popped down to CRY to see them go through, but they were a no show. Turns out the move was cancelled. 5Q19 now scheduled to run on Wednesday 4th.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Agreed. NO Southeastern commuter will get on a 707 and recoil in disgust because the seat covers are SWT ones

A ridiculous waste of money when you see how shabby the Networkers and especially the 376s are, especially as the 707s are currently only a short term solution before a full Networker replacement plan is worked out

Just occured to me. Maybe this work is required by the ROSCO before the SWR can relinquish their responsibility for them ?. So who is paying for it (apart from the tax payer) ?.

Or does SE view their older trains as not being around for much longer so not worth the effort ?. Regardless of how misguided that would be.

 

[Milo T.K]

Just occured to me. Maybe this work is required by the ROSCO before the SWR can relinquish their responsibility for them ?. So who is paying for it (apart from the tax payer) ?.

Or does SE view their older trains as not being around for much longer so not worth the effort ?. Regardless of how misguided that would be.

The networkers from reported insiders are apparently getting something finally done refurb wise to them soon, New livery is gonna be applied to them is a confirmed thing

 

[Horizon22]

The networkers from reported insiders are apparently getting something finally done refurb wise to them soon, New livery is gonna be applied to them is a confirmed thing

Doubt anyone will be doing much with livery in the next few months with GBR looming.

 

[59CosG95]

Doubt anyone will be doing much with livery in the next few months with GBR looming.

That all depends if the bill for it gets passed in Parliament (which, in fairness, seems likely)

 

[Goldfish62]

Doubt anyone will be doing much with livery in the next few months with GBR looming.

We had this conversation only a few months ago on this thread when people were adamant that the 707s wouldn't be re-liveried.

The fact is GBR isn't exactly looming, given the earliest legislation will be passed is 2023.

 

[Geoff_K]

Success! Passing Crayford. Sorry about the quality, I only have a little 'point and shoot'.

 

[Calamity James]

Nice spot! There's also a video up on YouTube already of it passing Sidcup:

 

[MotCO]

A ridiculous waste of money when you see how shabby the Networkers and especially the 376s are, especially as the 707s are currently only a short term solution before a full Networker replacement plan is worked out

The 707's are probably being reliveried so that SouthEastern can announce them as 'new trains' - they could hardly announce them as new if they wore a tatty livery and the seat covers were dirty.

 

[Horizon22]

We had this conversation only a few months ago on this thread when people were adamant that the 707s wouldn't be re-liveried.

The fact is GBR isn't exactly looming, given the earliest legislation will be passed is 2023.

I'm just saying it won't be a huge priority, although that decision still remains somewhat down to the TOC for the moment.

 

[Goldfish62]

I'm just saying it won't be a huge priority, although that decision still remains somewhat down to the TOC for the moment.

Yes, we'll have to see. Of course, the cost of reliverying a train must be a fraction of the cost of the Treasury bailing out the railways on a daily basis.

 

[Class360/1]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jdm5563/status/1422902898174877696

I’ve found some pictures of the se 707’s in a depot on Twitter, in the new livery.

apart from the front yellow end, se dark blue looks quite nice on a 707

 

[MotCO]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jdm5563/status/1422902898174877696

I’ve found some pictures of the se 707’s in a depot on Twitter, in the new livery.

apart from the front yellow end, se dark blue looks quite nice on a 707

I think blue and yellow, as colours, go well together. I think the issue here is that the sloping sides at the front should have been blue rather than yellow - the yellow makes it look a bit deformed.

 

[TRAX]

The yellow ruins it, though. Especially the way it’s been applied.

 

[Socanxdis]

I can't believe SE already got them in their colours so fast and SWR still have most trains in the previous franchise livery.

 

[Wolfie]

I can't believe SE already got them in their colours so fast and SWR still have most trains in the previous franchise livery.

Have you seen the state of most of SE's rolling stock?

 

[Class360/1]

I think blue and yellow, as colours, go well together. I think the issue here is that the sloping sides at the front should have been blue rather than yellow - the yellow makes it look a bit deformed.

I agree

 

[Paul Jones 88]

The 707 looks nice in the new livery, however, 376s and Networkers now need serious attention as well.

 

[urpert]

Have you seen the state of most of SE's rolling stock?

To be fair it’s only the suburban stock that they care nothing for. The Electrostars are quite nice.

 

[BluePenguin]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jdm5563/status/1422902898174877696

I’ve found some pictures of the se 707’s in a depot on Twitter, in the new livery.

apart from the front yellow end, se dark blue looks quite nice on a 707

Who knows how long it will be until James and the other drivers start their training?

 

[Recessio]

The way they've applied the yellow makes it look a bit like the front of some of the Networkers.