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If they need the double deckers for capacity then the only option is Stadler's KISS double deck as they are 200km/h capable. Bombardier don't have anything that meets the requirement.

SNCB M7 ?
 

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Yup, and this is a variant of the Twindexx too, as mentioned above.

Not really. Architectures of both systems are radically different. M7 is really a custom development for belgian railways, based on the existing M6 cars.
 

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Not really. Architectures of both systems are radically different. M7 is really a custom development for belgian railways, based on the existing M6 cars.

Yes but technically, electrically, and mechanically they have a lot of similar or identical components.
 
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If they need the double deckers for capacity then the only option is Stadler's KISS double deck as they are 200km/h capable. Bombardier don't have anything that meets the requirement.
Others have already pointed you to the Twindexx - but that is just the EMU equivalent of DB's IC2, so they can probably easily offer variants either way.

And extremely unreliable.
It's actually improved and isn't horrible, if not great - reliability numbers can be seen here:

(The train itself I'm not a fan of - I wish they'd just gone for the larger gauge of the current double decker trains - but at least it's running.)
 

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The biggest issue with the München-Nürnberg Express (quite often referred to as MüNüX) at the moment (or pre Covid...) is a lack of capacity. Running an hourly service would be quite expensive (access charges for the high speed line from Ingolstadt to Nürnberg are more than three times higher than the average Bavarian regional lines!) and running longer trains is not possible becaus of short platforms (especially at Ingolstadt Nord, slightly less so at Kinding and Allersberg), which is why they are supposed to get double deckers in the first place (they needed 550 seats on 165m long platforms!). Loco hauled trains are quite good for this situation, as the loco does not have to stop at the platform and one does not loose space inside the train for traction equipment.

For the quite comparable RE from Nürnberg towards Coburg via the high speed line, DB Regio has ordered 190km/h Desiro HCs, which could - in theory - also be adapted for usage on the MüNüX - but money might be an issue with that plan...

If you are lucky and get one of the very few (between one and two per train) standard class compartments, the current stock is very nice, especailly as it has a quite cheap (for on board standards) catering service.
 

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102004 entered service today on RB services over the route München – Ingolstadt – Treuchtlingen.
 

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According to the local gossip, the diagram for Mondays-Fridays Thursdays is:
RB 59146 MH 06:19 - MTL 08:20
RB 59147 MTL 09:35 - MH 11:34
RB 59154 MH 12:27 - MTL 14:19
RB 59157 MTL 15:35 - MH 17:34
RE 4042 MH 18:04 - MIH 18:53
RB 59079 MIH 19:05 – MH 19:55
(MH = München Hbf, MIH = Ingolstadt Hbf, MTL = Treuchtlingen).

They do seem to be rather cramped inside, I might have a look at them this afternoon...

Just found out that the diagram is Mondays-Thursdays only...
 
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According to the local gossip, the diagram for Mondays-Fridays Thursdays is:
RB 59146 MH 06:19 - MTL 08:20
RB 59147 MTL 09:35 - MH 11:34
RB 59154 MH 12:27 - MTL 14:19
RB 59157 MTL 15:35 - MH 17:34
RE 4042 MH 18:04 - MIH 18:53
RB 59079 MIH 19:05 – MH 19:55
(MH = München Hbf, MIH = Ingolstadt Hbf, MTL = Treuchtlingen).

They do seem to be rather cramped inside, I might have a look at them this afternoon...

Just found out that the diagram is Mondays-Thursdays only...
will it be extended to daily soon
 
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