Does the Traction Decarbonisation Network Strategy (TDNS) published by Network Rail say how many battery and hydrogen trains will be needed if and when the recommended electrification programme is completed? I had a very quick look and don't think it does, but maybe I missed it. Given the extensive electrification proposed, it doesn't look like the long-term market for hydrogen and battery trains in Great Britain is very large. But just how small is it?
I'm not sure whether this is the best place for this, but since I am essentially asking how many diagrams are needed to run various routes I thought it fit in this section.
Here's a list of all (I don't think I missed any, let me know if I did) routes not earmarked for full electrification in the TDNS. I have included electrified sections that hydrogen/battery stock will traverse as this mileage still influences the number of units required. I am being optimistic and assuming 3rd rail electrification is approved. Can you help fill in the blanks of how many trains are required to run each route?
Scotland (traction source not yet determined)
* plus one Fort William - Mallaig
Battery Trains
Missing (initially) from the above (because I'm not sure what the full route would/should be) are:
Hull - Scarborough (now added above thanks to info from NoMorePacers)
Penistone Line (now assumed to be Sheffield - Huddersfield)
Ellesmere Port - Helsby
Wigan - Southport (now assumed to be Southport - Stalybridge)
Heysham branch (traction type TBA)
Hydrogen Trains
** electrified throughout, but portion works with Cambrian services
I will try to return to this and add some more data when I have time, but would welcome any information you can add.
I'm not sure whether this is the best place for this, but since I am essentially asking how many diagrams are needed to run various routes I thought it fit in this section.
Here's a list of all (I don't think I missed any, let me know if I did) routes not earmarked for full electrification in the TDNS. I have included electrified sections that hydrogen/battery stock will traverse as this mileage still influences the number of units required. I am being optimistic and assuming 3rd rail electrification is approved. Can you help fill in the blanks of how many trains are required to run each route?
Scotland (traction source not yet determined)
Route | Journey Time | Assumed Frequency | Units Required |
---|---|---|---|
Inverness - Kyle Of Lochalsh Inverness - Wick via Thurso | 2hrs 40mins 4hrs 20mins | 6 trains per day 4 per day | 6 |
Wick - Thurso | 27mins | Infill Shuttles | 1 |
Glasgow - Oban | 3hrs 15min | Every 2hrs | 4 |
Glasgow - Mallaig | 5hrs 10min | 3 per day* | 3 |
Glasgow - Stranraer | 3hrs | Every 2hrs | 3-4 |
* plus one Fort William - Mallaig
Battery Trains
Route | Journey Time | Assumed Frequency | Units Required |
---|---|---|---|
Windermere Branch | 19mins | Hourly | 1 |
Darlington - Bishop Auckland | 26mins | Hourly | 2 |
Middlesbrough - Whitby | 1hr 30mins | Every 3hrs | 2 |
Middlesbrough - Nunthorpe | 15mins | Hourly | 1 |
Blackpool South - Preston | 35mins | Hourly | 2 |
Leeds - Harrogate - York | 1hr 15mins | Every 30mins | 6 |
Wrexham Central - Bidston | ? | Every 30mins | 4 |
Hull - Scarborough | 1hr 30min | Hourly | 3 |
Sheffield - Hull (Scarborough services) | Optional | Electrified Route | 2 |
Sheffield - Huddersfield via Penistone | 1hr 20mins | Hourly | 3 |
Barton-On-Humber - Cleethorpes | 52mins | Hourly | 2 |
Nottingham - Derby - Matlock | 1hr 5mins | Hourly | 3 |
Chester - Manchester Piccadilly via Altrincham | 1hr 30mins | Hourly | 4 |
Southport - Stalybridge | 1hr 40mins | Every 30mins | 8 |
Marlow Branch | 23mins | Every 30min (peak) | 2 (peak) |
Henley-On-Thames Branch | 12mins | Every 30mins | 2 |
Bristol Temple Meads - Weymouth | 2hrs 25mins | Hourly | 5 |
Plymouth - Gunnislake | ? | ? | 1 |
Liskeard - Looe | ? | ? | 1 |
Truro - Falmouth Docks | ? | Every 30mins | 2 |
St. Erth - St. Ives | ? | Every 30mins | 1 |
Ebbw Vale Town - Cardiff Central | 1hr 3mins | Hourly | 3 |
Ebbw Vale Town - Newport | 55mins ? | Hourly | 2 |
Llandudno - Blaenau Ffestiniog | ? | Every 2hrs | 2 |
Missing (initially) from the above (because I'm not sure what the full route would/should be) are:
Hull - Scarborough (now added above thanks to info from NoMorePacers)
Penistone Line (now assumed to be Sheffield - Huddersfield)
Ellesmere Port - Helsby
Wigan - Southport (now assumed to be Southport - Stalybridge)
Heysham branch (traction type TBA)
Hydrogen Trains
Route | Journey Time | Assumed Frequency | Units Required |
---|---|---|---|
Norwich - Great Yarmouth Norwich - Lowestoft Lowestoft - Ipswich | 45mins 33mins 1hr 30mins | Hourly + Peak Extras Hourly Service | 10 |
Norwich - Sheringham | 1hr | Hourly + Peak Extras | 5 |
Swansea - Llandrindod Wells - Shrewsbury | 4hrs | 10 per day (mix of fast and slow) | 5 |
Aberystwyth - Birmingham International | 3hrs 11mins | Hourly | 7 |
Pwllheli - Birmingham International Holyhead - Birmingahm International ** | 5hrs 15mins | Every 2hrs | 10 |
** electrified throughout, but portion works with Cambrian services
I will try to return to this and add some more data when I have time, but would welcome any information you can add.
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