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nottsnurse

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Just struck me that from the front, the new EMR livery on the 170's can look fairly similar to the XC livery on the 170's. Hopefully no-one gets too confused during a quick change at Derby or Nottingham!

Just how did folks cope in BR days eh?
 

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I mean, I don't think joe public really cares about what the train looks like.. DRS Branded Mk2s with Northern, Northern Branded 156s on TPE or East Midlands Trains HSTs on LNER.. as long as it departs and arrives on-time that's it.
 

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Just how did folks cope in BR days eh?

I wouldn't know, given that I was about 7 when it ended. Not quite sure what the snarky attitude is about, for a whimsical and casual observation.

I mean, I don't think joe public really cares about what the train looks like.. DRS Branded Mk2s with Northern, Northern Branded 156s on TPE or East Midlands Trains HSTs on LNER.. as long as it departs and arrives on-time that's it.
I agree with you, but I guess if you're used to things looking a certain way and associating that with what you need, then there's a potential area of short term confusion.
 

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Seems daft to me that they should bother with repainting an entire fleet which is going to be replaced in the next few years anyway at all, let alone with materials that are apparantely lower quality than what they're replacing!

Oddly they seem to have retrospectively added the Stagecoach style window bands to the 180s; is that just to make them match the 222s? If so that's an impressive dedictation to consistency.
 

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Seems daft to me that they should bother with repainting an entire fleet which is going to be replaced in the next few years anyway at all, let alone with materials that are apparantely lower quality than what they're replacing!

Oddly they seem to have retrospectively added the Stagecoach style window bands to the 180s; is that just to make them match the 222s? If so that's an impressive dedictation to consistency.
Are they actually painting them or is it vinyl?
 

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Seems daft to me that they should bother with repainting an entire fleet which is going to be replaced in the next few years anyway at all, let alone with materials that are apparantely lower quality than what they're replacing!

Oddly they seem to have retrospectively added the Stagecoach style window bands to the 180s; is that just to make them match the 222s? If so that's an impressive dedictation to consistency.
One of the replies on the tweet does day it is for constancy across the intercity fleet. Personally I like it.


Updated list (only been a week!):

It may have only been a week but quite a bit has gone on. Now down to 3 VP185 powercars and around half of the 180/222 fleets are now in the purple outgoing livery.

Class 43 HST power cars:
43045 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43047 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43073 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded

43044, 048, 049, 058, 059 are Withdrawn but still at Neville Hill
43043, 064, 081, 082 are at Long Marston
43050, 060 are at Derby RTC with Colas Rail.
43052, 054, 066, 076, 089 are at Leicester (D.A.T.S). 43089 is now part of the 125group.
43046, 055, 083 are now with LSL

43238 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43251 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43257 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43272 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Neville Hill)
43274 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Neville Hill)
43277 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Barrow Hill)
43290 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Gascoigne Wood)
43295 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43296 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43299 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43302 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Neville Hill)
43305 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43306 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Gascoigne Wood)
43307 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43308 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Gascoigne Wood)
43309 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43310 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43314 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43316 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43317 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43318 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43319 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43320 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)


43423 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43465 - Plain blue, EMR branded (currently at Barrow Hill)
43467 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43468 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43480 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43484 - Plain blue, EMR branded

Class 153:
153308 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153311 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153319 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153355 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153357 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153376 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153379 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153381 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153383 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153384 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153385 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo

153302, 318, 368, 372, 374, 382 are withdrawn and stored at Ely

Class 156:
156401 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156403 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156404 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156405 - EMR outgoing livery
156406 - White with purple doors, no branding
156408 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156410 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156411 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156413 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) with EMR Regional logo
156414 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) no branding
156415 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156470 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156473 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156497 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156498 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156902 - White with Red doors (ex 156402)
156907 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156407)
156909 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156409)
156912 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156412)
156916 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156416)
156917 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156417)
156918 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156418)
156919 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156419)
156922 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156422)


Class 158:
158770 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158773 - EMR outgoing livery
158774 - White base with Orange doors, no branding
158777 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158780 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158783 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158785 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158788 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158799 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158806 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158810 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158812 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158813 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158846 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158847 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158852 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158854 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158856 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158857 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158858 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158862 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158863 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158864 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158865 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158866 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158889 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo

Class 170:
170416 - Full EMR Regional (currently at Eastcroft depot)
170417 - Full EMR Regional (currently at Tyseley)

170418 - Scot Rail Blue, no branding (currently in Scotland)
170419 - Scot Rail Blue, no branding (currently at Crofton Depot)
170420 - Full EMR Regional (currently at Etches Park depot)

Class 180:
180109 - Hull Trains blue, no branding
180110 - EMR outgoing livery
180111 - EMR outgoing livery

180113 - Hull Trains blue, no branding

Class 222:
222001 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222002 - EMR outgoing livery
222003 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222004 - EMR outgoing livery
222005 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222006 - EMR outgoing livery

222007 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222008 - EMR outgoing livery
222009 - EMR outgoing livery
222010 - EMR outgoing livery
222011 - EMR outgoing livery
222012 - EMR outgoing livery
222013 - EMR outgoing livery

222014 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222015 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222016 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222017 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222018 - EMR outgoing livery
222019 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222020 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222021 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222022 - EMR outgoing livery
222023 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo

222101 - EMR outgoing livery
222102 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222103 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222104 - Full EMR intercity

Class 360 (only showing units which have 110mph modifications)
360102 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360105 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360106 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360107 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360108 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360111 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360112 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360113 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (at Northampton)
360114 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360116 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360118 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360120 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360121 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)


Stations:
Hubbert's Bridge - New signage on the new platform
 
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Oddly they seem to have retrospectively added the Stagecoach style window bands to the 180s; is that just to make them match the 222s? If so that's an impressive dedictation to consistency.


I'm 99% certain that the window band is in fact just the firstgroup blue still, but there's just a negative effect where they haven't vinyled it white. There's an obvious seam in this picture that's level with the bottom of the band but the biggest giveaway is the window surrounds - those definitely are too fiddly for vinylling!
 

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Yes i asked about that before. you can see more clearly on those pics they've basically cut a big hole in vinyl for window For me the blue looks out of place
 

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43047 should be getting a name - believe it is Paxman-related.

Well done to the team at Neville Hill for doing this - a nice touch.

Not seen any further news on this, but have seen a picture on flickr of the nameplate

43047 was converted to a Paxman 12VP185 Engine at Neville Hill Depot in Leeds in 1995. This was the first of 26 such conversions for the Midland Mainline

Powered by Paxman VP185
Celebrating 25 Years service on the Midland Mainline
Built & Overhauled in Colchester. Proud to be British
 

Pippy1505

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One of the replies on the tweet does day it is for constancy across the intercity fleet. Personally I like it.


Updated list (only been a week!):

It may have only been a week but quite a bit has gone on. Now down to 3 VP185 powercars and around half of the 180/222 fleets are now in the purple outgoing livery.

Class 43 HST power cars:
43045 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43047 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43073 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded

43044, 048, 049, 058, 059 are Withdrawn but still at Neville Hill
43043, 064, 081, 082 are at Long Marston
43050, 060 are at Derby RTC with Colas Rail.
43052, 054, 066, 076, 089 are at Leicester (D.A.T.S). 43089 is now part of the 125group.
43046, 055, 083 are now with LSL

43238 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43251 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43257 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43272 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Neville Hill)
43274 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Neville Hill)
43277 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Barrow Hill)
43290 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Gascoigne Wood)
43295 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43296 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43299 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43302 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Neville Hill)
43305 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43306 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Gascoigne Wood)
43307 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43308 - LNER red, EMR branding (currently at Gascoigne Wood)
43309 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43310 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43314 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43316 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43317 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43318 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43319 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)
43320 - LNER red, EMR branding (in service)


43423 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43465 - Plain blue, EMR branded (currently at Barrow Hill)
43467 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43468 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43480 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43484 - Plain blue, EMR branded

Class 153:
153308 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153311 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153319 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153355 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153357 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153376 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153379 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153381 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153383 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153384 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153385 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo

153302, 318, 368, 372, 374, 382 are withdrawn and stored at Ely

Class 156:
156401 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156403 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156404 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156405 - EMR outgoing livery
156406 - White with purple doors, no branding
156408 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156410 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156411 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156413 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) with EMR Regional logo
156414 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) no branding
156415 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156470 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156473 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156497 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156498 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156902 - White with Red doors (ex 156402)
156907 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156407)
156909 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156409)
156912 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156412)
156916 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156416)
156917 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156417)
156918 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156418)
156919 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156419)
156922 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156422)


Class 158:
158770 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158773 - EMR outgoing livery
158774 - White base with Orange doors, no branding
158777 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158780 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158783 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158785 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158788 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158799 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158806 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158810 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158812 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158813 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158846 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158847 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158852 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158854 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158856 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158857 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158858 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158862 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158863 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158864 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158865 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158866 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158889 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo

Class 170:
170416 - Full EMR Regional (currently at Eastcroft depot)
170417 - Full EMR Regional (currently at Tyseley)

170418 - Scot Rail Blue, no branding (currently in Scotland)
170419 - Scot Rail Blue, no branding (currently at Crofton Depot)
170420 - Full EMR Regional (currently at Etches Park depot)

Class 180:
180109 - Hull Trains blue, no branding
180110 - EMR outgoing livery
180111 - EMR outgoing livery

180113 - Hull Trains blue, no branding

Class 222:
222001 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222002 - EMR outgoing livery
222003 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222004 - EMR outgoing livery
222005 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222006 - EMR outgoing livery

222007 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222008 - EMR outgoing livery
222009 - EMR outgoing livery
222010 - EMR outgoing livery
222011 - EMR outgoing livery
222012 - EMR outgoing livery
222013 - EMR outgoing livery

222014 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222015 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222016 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222017 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222018 - EMR outgoing livery
222019 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222020 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222021 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222022 - EMR outgoing livery
222023 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo

222101 - EMR outgoing livery
222102 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222103 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222104 - Full EMR intercity

Class 360 (only showing units which have 110mph modifications)
360102 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360105 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360106 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360107 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360108 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360111 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360112 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360113 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (at Northampton)
360114 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360116 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360118 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360120 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360121 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)


Stations:
Hubbert's Bridge - New signage on the new platform
43306 & 43308 now at Neville Hill

43045/059 leave for Long Marston 01/10/20
 

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Lucky as it didn't catch fire? :lol:

Why would it catch fire?
I've got 5 hours on them now and the way some folks go on I should be medium rare by now!
We have two experienced fitters on loan, who inform us that every single incident where a fire was involved (post dynamic brake isolation) was directly a result of poor and incorrect maintenance.
 
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Why would it catch fire?

The 180s are unfortunately famed for their unreliability, including a few fires with the units that are now with EMR in their previous use at Hull Trains. Hopefully Etches Park are able to match the reliability of the GC units at Crofton, EMR's fleet plans are rather reliant on it!
 
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