ECML problem at Bawtry 9/11/21

[johnnychips]

At Doncaster all services towards Leeds, London and York are delayed. The announcer said that all trains were sat near Bawtry as there was a problem with the electric supply. Passengers advised to take 1835 stopper to Sheffield and change there for York, Leeds and St Pancras.
I think a lot of people have not taken advice as this train is fuller than usual but not rammed.

 

[DanNCL]

The situation hasn't been helped by the Royal Train being part of the southbound queue of traffic, no doubt requiring some careful regulation of passenger service to allow the Royal Train to divert unhindered via the Joint Line.

 

[Stathern Jc]

This is listed on the LNER Travel Alert page on their website.
Part of the advice is for Grand Central ticket holders who have two options to travel from Sheffield to St Pancras, at 1837 and 1900. I suspect that 1835 from Doncaster might be a bit tight!

 

[55002]

Some southbound trains been allowed past now very slowly..nothing going north still. Passenger on 1400 KGX ABD tweeted announce they need evacuating due to “extreme” damage

 

[75A]

Do you stiill think that Overhead Electric is the answer?

 

[Mag_seven]

Once again the OLE on this stretch of the ECML is found wanting.

 

[800001]

Some southbound trains been allowed past now very slowly..nothing going north still. Passenger on 1400 KGX ABD tweeted announce they need evacuating due to “extreme” damage

1W20 will evacuate on to a Hull Trains unit, and 1w20 will sit till there till.end of service. Substantial damage apparently with wires down on to roof of train.

At Doncaster all services towards Leeds, London and York are delayed. The announcer said that all trains were sat near Bawtry as there was a problem with the electric supply. Passengers advised to take 1835 stopper to Sheffield and change there for York, Leeds and St Pancras.
I think a lot of people have not taken advice as this train is fuller than usual but not rammed.

Hull Trains unit was culprit train, now sat in Doncaster West Yard with damaged pantograph.

 

[68001]

802302 was the hull trains unit involved

 

[island]

I believe 800102 was the stranded LNER unit.

 

[Bayum]

Some southbound trains been allowed past now very slowly..nothing going north still. Passenger on 1400 KGX ABD tweeted announce they need evacuating due to “extreme” damage

Any suggestion as to what has happened to the pantograph leading it to be described as 'extreme damage'?

 

[westv]

Once again the OLE on this stretch of the ECML is found wanting.

Seems to happen weekly.

 

[Bayum]

Link is a picture of the damaged pantograph on the HT unit

 

[Buffer_mutt]

Kind of unrelated. But I'm 90% sure I just saw a HT 800 pass PBO going north on 5Z90 running on it's diesels. First time I've seen a 800 at speed running on those, they sound nice.

 

[Danor97]

802302 looked to have a pretty mangled pan when it arrived in Doncaster. Was subsequently shunted to the West Yard for further inspection from the bridge of some sort.

 

[Banham7]

Single Line working on the Southbound at the moment between Doncaster and Retford

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

The BiMode units could divert via Lincoln but no doubt drivers don't sign the route as LNER don't ensure route knowledge is maintained.

 

[Banham7]

The BiMode units could divert via Lincoln but no doubt drivers don't sign the route as LNER don't ensure route knowledge is maintained.

Seen a couple of GC and HT divert from Peterborough through Lincoln onward to Donny. LNER seems to be branching the 800s off at Newark, sending them via Gainsborough LR and then onward to Donny.

 

[Danor97]

How big are the sections to isolate when something like this occurs? Always puzzling how it works.

 

[TheBigD]

The BiMode units could divert via Lincoln but no doubt drivers don't sign the route as LNER don't ensure route knowledge is maintained.

Assuming the 10 x 9 carand 8 x 5 car* bimode units are in the right place...

As for route knowledge, LNER are one of the better TOCS. Cambridge, Joint Line, Hambleton, Knottingley, Durham Coast, Carlisle amongst the routes that staff sign. Obviously not every depot signs every route.

* 10 from 13, and 8 from 10 are diagrammed daily.

 

[55002]

How big are the sections to isolate when something like this occurs? Always puzzling how it works.

Looks about 11 odd miles single section from Retford to Loversall tonight

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Assuming the 10 x 9 carand 8 x 5 car* bimode units are in the right place...

As for route knowledge, LNER are one of the better TOCS. Cambridge, Joint Line, Hambleton, Knottingley, Durham Coast, Carlisle amongst the routes that staff sign. Obviously not every depot signs every route.

* 10 from 13, and 8 from 10 are diagrammed daily.

Four in the queue at Retford at the moment suggest not sufficient drivers do sign it.

 

[Danor97]

Looks about 11 odd miles single section from Retford to Loversall tonight

Interesting, never realised the sections are so big.

 

[43096]

Four in the queue at Retford at the moment suggest not sufficient drivers do sign it.

Of those, only one (1W24) is formed of an 800 that could go via the Joint Line. That suggests you're just jumping to incorrect conclusions?

 

[zwk500]

Four in the queue at Retford at the moment suggest not sufficient drivers do sign it.

801s don't have gensets capable of providing traction power (not sure if they have a limp-to-safety capacity).

Interesting, never realised the sections are so big.

It's also about how the section can be managed - it's presumably easier for the person authorising trains over the single line to meet each train at Retford where it's lit and there's a platform than by some signal at the lineside.

 

[Crossover]

801s don't have gensets capable of providing traction power (not sure if they have a limp-to-safety capacity).

I think they do, but generally can't be used for traction without authorisation from Hitachi

 

[55002]

Interesting, never realised the sections are so big.

Probably how the damage has occurred it necessitates a long section

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

801s don't have gensets capable of providing traction power (not sure if they have a limp-to-safety capacity).

Arghh yes good point although one of the four is an 800

 

[zwk500]

Arghh yes good point although one of the four is an 800

I think there's so many other factors LNER can be forgiven for not diverting every single 800.

 

[DanNCL]

801s don't have gensets capable of providing traction power (not sure if they have a limp-to-safety capacity).

801 gensets can provide traction power to some extent. They can (slowly) get up to around 50mph on diesel, which is used in a limp to safety capacity as well as during some OHLE isolations, Depot shunts and for moves to/from Newton Aycliffe on the unelectrified line from Darlington.

5 car 801s don’t provide traction power when working in multiple with an 800 that’s on diesel, so might be where you’ve got confused.

 

[zwk500]

801 gensets can provide traction power to some extent. They can (slowly) get up to around 50mph on diesel, which is used in a limp to safety capacity as well as during some OHLE isolations, Depot shunts and for moves to/from Newton Aycliffe on the unelectrified line from Darlington.

5 car 801s don’t provide traction power when working in multiple with an 800 that’s on diesel, so might be where you’ve got confused.

Thanks for the clarification. I had slightly underestimated their capacity, and should probably have been clearer and said 'service traction power'.