EMR diagrams

[43055]

I thought it might be useful to have a single place for the frequently requested diagrams for EMR with the introduction of the 170 and 180's and less HST's about. This can be updated when required to show the progress of the fleet change over the next few years. Hopefully this will be of use to some people.

Last updated 27/07/23

From May 2023
EMR Intercity:

Spoiler: Intercity services

Weekdays:
Northbound:
0548 Leicester - Sheffield (5)
0606 Kettering - Nottingham (5)

From London:
0527 Sheffield (5)
0559 Sheffield (5)
0605 Nottingham (5)
0632 Sheffield (5)
0635 Nottingham (5)
0702 Sheffield (5)
0705 Nottingham (5)
0730 Sheffield (5)
0735 Nottingham (5)
0803 Sheffield (7)
0806 Nottingham (5)
0832 Sheffield (7)
0835 Nottingham (5)
0902 Sheffield (5)
0905 Nottingham (5)
0932 Sheffield (5)
0935 Nottingham (5)
0945 Melton (5)
1002 Sheffield (5)
1005 Nottingham (5)
1032 Sheffield (5)
1035 Nottingham (5)
1102 Sheffield (5)
1105 Nottingham (5)
1132 Sheffield (7)
1135 Nottingham (5)
1202 Sheffield (5)
1205 Nottingham (5)
1232 Sheffield (5)
1235 Nottingham (5)
1302 Sheffield (7)
1305 Nottingham (5)
1332 Sheffield (5)
1335 Nottingham (7)
1402 Sheffield (5)
1405 Nottingham (5)
1432 Sheffield (5)
1435 Nottingham (5)
1502 Sheffield (5)
1505 Nottingham (5)
1532 Sheffield (5)
1535 Nottingham (5)
1602 Sheffield (10)
1605 Nottingham (5)
1632 Sheffield (5)
1635 Nottingham (5)
1702 Sheffield (5)
1705 Nottingham (7)
1732 Sheffield (10)
1735 Nottingham (10)
1802 Sheffield (7)
1805 Nottingham (7)
1832 Sheffield (5)
1835 Nottingham & Melton (5+5)
1902 Sheffield (10)
1905 Nottingham (5)
1932 Sheffield (5)
1935 Nottingham (5)
2002 Sheffield (5)
2005 Nottingham (5)
2031 Sheffield (5)
2034 Lincoln (5)
2102 Sheffield (5)
2105 Nottingham (5)
2132 Sheffield (7)
2135 Nottingham (5)
2232 Sheffield (7)
2235 Nottingham (5)
2305 Derby (5)
2335 Nottingham (7)

Southbound:
from Sheffield unless stated:
0440 from Derby (5)
0447 from Derby via Nottingham (5)
0458 (5)
0530 (5)
0556 (7)
0630 (10)
0700 (7)
0733 (5)
0752 (5)
0837 (5)
0900 (5)
0937 (5)
1000 (5)
1037 (7)
1100 (7)
1137 (5)
1200 (5)
1237 (5)
1300 (5)
1337 (5)
1400 (7)
1437 (5)
1500 (5)
1537 (7)
1600 (5)
1637 (5)
1701 (5)
1732 (5)
1800 (5)
1837 (5)
1900 (5)
1937 (5)
2000 (5)
2037 (Sheffield - Derby) (10)
2101 (7)
2145 (5)
2229 (Sheffield - Derby) (5)
2330 (Sheffield - Derby) (10)

from Nottingham:
0514 (from Derby) (5)
0549 (7)
0612 (10)
0649 (10)
0712 (from Lincoln) (10, 5 from Lincoln)
0749 (from Lincoln) (5)
0813 (5)
0850 (5)
0912 (5)
0950 (5)
1012 (5)
1050 (5)
1112 (5)
1150 (5)
1212 (5)
1250 (5)
1312 (5)
1350 (5)
1412 (5)
1450 (5)
1512 (5)
1550 (7)
1612 (5)
1650 (5)
1712 (5)
1750 (5)
1810 (5)
1850 (5)
1912 (7)
1949 (10)
2011 (7)
2048 (5)
2140 (5)

Saturdays (To be confirmed)
Weekdays:
Northbound:
0536 Kettering - Sheffield (10)
0610 Kettering - Nottingham (5)

From London:
0530 Sheffield (5)
0600 Sheffield (5)
0605 Nottingham (5)
0630 Sheffield (5)
0633 Nottingham (5)
0702 Sheffield (5)
0705 Nottingham (5)
0732 Sheffield (5)
0735 Nottingham (5)
0802 Sheffield (5)
0805 Nottingham (5)
0832 Sheffield (5)
0835 Nottingham (7)
0902 Sheffield (5)
0905 Nottingham (5)
0932 Sheffield (5)
0935 Nottingham (5)
1002 Sheffield (10)
1005 Nottingham (5)
1032 Sheffield (5)
1035 Nottingham (180)
1102 Sheffield (10)
1105 Nottingham (7)
1132 Sheffield (5)
1135 Nottingham (5)
1202 Sheffield (10)
1205 Nottingham (5)
1232 Sheffield (5)
1235 Nottingham (7)
1302 Sheffield (7)
1305 Nottingham (5)
1332 Sheffield (5)
1335 Nottingham (5)
1402 Sheffield (10)
1405 Nottingham (10)
1432 Sheffield (5)
1435 Nottingham (5)
1502 Sheffield (10)
1505 Nottingham (180)
1532 Sheffield (5)
1535 Nottingham (7)
1602 Sheffield (5)
1605 Nottingham (5)
1632 Sheffield (5)
1635 Nottingham (5)
1702 Sheffield (10)
1705 Nottingham (7)
1732 Sheffield (5)
1735 Nottingham (5)
1802 Sheffield (5)
1805 Nottingham (7)
1832 Sheffield (5)
1835 Nottingham (10)
1902 Sheffield (5)
1905 Nottingham (5)
1932 Sheffield (5)
1935 Nottingham (180)
2002 Sheffield (10)
2005 Nottingham (7)
2031 Sheffield (5)
2035 Nottingham (5)
2102 Sheffield (5)
2105 Nottingham (5)
2132 Sheffield (5)
2135 Nottingham (7)
2215 Derby (7)
2232 Derby (10)

Southbound:
from Sheffield unless stated:
0455 from Derby (10)
0459 from Derby via Nottingham (10)
0530 (10)
0556 (5)
0633 (5)
0700 (5)
0731 (10)
0800 (180)
0836 (10)
0901 (5)
0929 (7)
1001 (5)
1036 (10)
1100 (5)
1130 (5)
1200 (5)
1236 (10)
1300 (5)
1336 (10)
1401 (5)
1436 (10)
1501 (5)
1537 (7)
1601 (5)
1637 (5)
1700 (5)
1731 (10)
1800 (5)
1837 (5)
1901 (5)
1937 (5)
2001 (10)
2030 (Sheffield - Leicester) (5)
2100 (Sheffield - Leicester) (5)
2320 (Sheffield - Derby) (5)

from Nottingham:
0526 (from Derby) (10)
0612 (7)
0649 (5)
0712 (5)
0746 (5)
0812 (5)
0850 (7)
0912 (10)
0950 (10)
1012 (5)
1050 (7)
1112 (5)
1150 (5)
1212 (5)
1250 (180)
1312 (7)
1350 (5)
1412 (5)
1450 (7)
1512 (5)
1550 (5)
1612 (5)
1650 (5)
1712 (180)
1750 (7)
1812 (5)
1850 (5)
1912 (7)
1950 (5)
2012 (7)
2050 (5)
2125 (5)

Sundays:
Northbound:
0732 Derby - Sheffield (10)
0828 Derby - Sheffield (5)
1015 Leicester - Sheffield (7)

From London:
0900 Nottingham (10)
0930 Sheffield (10)
1000 Nottingham (10)
1030 Sheffield (5)
1100 Nottingham (10)
1130 Nottingham (7)
1202 Sheffield (10)
1234 Nottingham (5)
1302 Sheffield (10)
1334 Nottingham (5)
1402 Sheffield (10)
1435 Nottingham (10)
1502 Sheffield (5)
1532 Sheffield (5)
1535 Nottingham (10)
1602 Sheffield (7)
1605 Nottingham (5)
1632 Sheffield (5)
1635 Nottingham (5)
1702 Sheffield (5)
1705 Nottingham (5)
1732 Sheffield (5)
1735 Nottingham (5)
1802 Sheffield (5)
1805 Nottingham (5)
1832 Sheffield (5)
1835 Nottingham (5)
1902 Sheffield (10)
1905 Nottingham (7)
1932 Sheffield (5)
1935 Nottingham (5)
2002 Sheffield (10)
2005 Nottingham (5)
2032 Sheffield (5)
2035 Nottingham (5)
2102 Sheffield (5)
2135 Derby (5)
2202 Sheffield (5)
2232 Nottingham (5)
2300 Derby (5)

Southbound:
from Sheffield unless stated:
0700 from Derby (10)
0751 from Derby (10)
0832 (10)
0926 (5)
1052 (10)
1152 (7)
1252 (10)
1331 (5)
1351 (5)
1432 (5)
1451 (5)
1531 (5)
1551 (5)
1628 (7)
1651 (5)
1728 (10)
1751 (7)
1851 (5)
1951 (5)
2029 (10)
2236 (Sheffield - Derby) (10)

from Nottingham:
0724 (5)
0821 (7)
0926 (10)
1016 (5)
1110 (5)
1209 (10)
1310 (10)
1410 (5)
1506 (5)
1547 (5)
1610 (5)
1647 (10)
1710 (5)
1745 (10)
1810 (5)
1845 (5)
1906 (5)
1959 (5)
2109 (5)
2150 (Nottingham - Leicester) (5)

EMR Regional:
Please see attached speadsheet for Regional tables except Barton on Humber and Liverpool - Norwich.
Key to the tables:
158: Class 158
170: Class 170, blue highlight is 3 car
Red highlight: Double set

Generally the following:
Barton on Humber - class 170
Liverpool - Norwich - All normally class 158 - 170 can substitute on the day.
Peterborough - Doncaster - Class 170 (Saturdays not yet done in spreadsheet)
Nottingham - Worksop - 3 car 170
Nottingham - Skegness - 3 car 170
Nottingham - Matlock (Not yet done in spreadsheet)
Grimsby - Leicester (Monday to Saturdays not yet done in spreadsheet)
Newark - Crewe - class 170 (Monday to Saturdays not yet done in spreadsheet)

EMR Connect:

Spoiler: Class 360's

All 8 car unless stated otherwise.

Weekdays:
0432 Corby - London
0617 London - Corby
0740 Corby - London
0915 London - Corby
1040 Corby - London
1215 London - Corby
1340 Corby - London
1515 London - Corby
1642 Corby - London
1817 London - Corby
1940 Corby - London
2115 London - Corby
2234 Corby - London

Empty Cricklewood - London
0647 London - Corby
0809 Corby - London
0945 London - Corby
1110 Corby - London
1245 London - Corby
1410 Corby - London
1545 London - Corby
1712 Corby - London
1847 London - Corby
2011 Corby - London
then splits for form:
2145 London - Corby (4 car)
2310 Corby - Kettering (4 car)
and
2247 London - Corby (4 Car)

0539 Corby - London
0718 London - Corby
0839 Corby - London
1015 London - Corby
1140 Corby - London
1315 London - Corby
1440 Corby - London
1617 London - Corby
1740 Corby - London
1915 London - Corby
2040 Corby - London
2215 London - Corby

0611 Corby - London
0749 London - Corby
0910 Corby - London
1045 London - Corby
1210 Corby - London
1345 London - Corby
1508 Corby - London
1647 London - Corby
1806 Corby - London
1945 London - Corby
Empty stock to Cricklewood

0639 Corby - London
0817 London - Corby
0940 Corby - London
1115 London - Corby
1240 Corby - London
1415 London - Corby
1541 Corby - London
1717 London - Corby
1840 Corby - London
2015 London - Corby
2140 Corby - London
2355 London - Corby

0545 London - Corby
0710 Corby - London
0847 London - Corby
1011 Corby - London
1145 London - Corby
1311 Corby - London
1445 London - Corby
1611 Corby - London
1747 London - Corby
1911 Corby - London
2045 London - Corby

Saturdays:
0510 Corby - London
0646 London - Corby
0811 Corby - London
0945 London - Corby
1111 Corby - London
1245 London - Corby
1411 Corby - London
1545 London - Corby
1711 Corby - London
1845 London - Corby
2010 Corby - London
2145 London - Corby

0540 Corby - London
0715 London - Corby
0840 Corby - London
1015 London - Corby
1140 Corby - London
1315 London - Corby
1440 Corby - London
1615 London - Corby
1740 Corby - London
1915 London - Corby
2040 Corby - London
2218 London - Corby

0555 Kettering - Corby
0611 Corby - London
0745 London - Corby
0911 Corby - London
1045 London - Corby
1211 Corby - London
1345 London - Corby
1510 Corby - London
1645 London - Corby
1811 Corby - London
1945 London - Corby
2111 Corby - London
2246 London - Corby

0640 Corby - London
0815 London - Corby
0940 Corby - London
1115 London - Corby
1240 Corby - London
1415 London - Corby
1540 Corby - London
1715 London - Corby
1840 Corby - London
2015 London - Corby
2140 Corby - London

0533 London - Corby
0711 Corby - London
0845 London - Corby
1011 Corby - London
1145 London - Corby
1311 Corby - London
1445 London - Corby
1611 Corby - London
1745 London - Corby
1911 Corby - London
2045 London - Corby
2201 Corby - London
2335 London - Kettering

0608 London - Corby
0740 Corby - London
0915 London - Corby
1040 Corby - London
1215 London - Corby
1340 Corby - London
1515 London - Corby
1640 Corby - London
1815 London - Corby
1940 Corby - London
2115 London - Corby
2240 Corby - Kettering

Sundays (All 4 car?):
0945 Kettering - Corby
1000 Corby - Kettering
1015 Kettering - Corby
1038 Corby - Kettering
1100 Kettering - Corby
1141 Corby - London
1314 London - Corby
1440 Corby - London
1614 London - Corby
1740 Corby - London
1914 London - Corby
2110 Corby - London

1446 Kettering - Corby
1510 Corby - London
1644 London - Corby
1810 Corby - London
1944 London - Kettering

1202 Kettering - Corby
1227 Corby - London
1414 London - Corby
1540 Corby - London
1714 London - Corby
1840 Corby - London
2014 London - Corby
2140 Corby - Kettering

1230 Kettering - Corby
1310 Corby - London
1444 London - Corby
1610 Corby - London
1744 London - Corby
1910 Corby - London
2044 London - Kettering

1214 London - Corby
1341 Corby - London
1514 London - Corby
1640 Corby - London
1814 London - Corby
1940 Corby - London
2114 London - Corby

1348 Kettering - Corby
1410 Corby - London
1544 London - Corby
1710 Corby - London
1844 London - Corby
2005 Corby - London
2212 London - Corby

 

[warwickshire]

I thought it might be useful to have a single place for the frequently requested diagrams for EMR with the introduction of the 170 and 180's and less HST's about. This can be updated when required to show the progress of the fleet change over the next few years. Hopefully this will be of use to some people.

Until 15th May 2021:

EMR Intercity:

Spoiler: HST's

Weekdays:
0600 Sheffield - London
1650 London - Corby
1837 Corby - London
2031 London - Derby

0519 Leeds - London via Derby
1734 London - Nottingham

0711 Nottingham - London
1834 London - Leeds via Nottingham

0731 Derby - London
1534 London - Nottingham
1745 Nottingham - London
2001 London - Leeds via Derby

0634 Leeds - London via Nottingham
1020 Empty Stock London - London via Corby, Leicester, Corby for route retention (not Wednesday)
1434 London - Nottingham
1645 Nottingham - London
1904 London - Leeds via Nottingham

Saturdays:
0634 Leeds - London via Nottingham
1834 London - Leeds via Nottingham

0740 Leeds - London via Nottingham
2002 London - Leeds via Derby

0745 Nottingham - London
1034 London - Nottingham

Sundays:
0950 Leeds - London via Nottingham
1455 London - Leeds via Derby

1050 Leeds - London via Derby
2040 London - Leeds via Derby

1434 Leeds - London via Derby
1835 London - Leeds via Derby

1649 Sheffield - London
2000 London - Nottingham

Spoiler: Class 180's

Weekdays:
0519 Derby - London (10 car)
0735 London - Nottingham
1012 Nottingham - London
1234 London - Nottingham
1445 Nottingham - London
1705 London - Nottingham (10 car)
1945 Nottingham - London
2150 London - Derby

0519 Derby - London (10 car)
0749 London - Corby
0932 Corby - London
1105 London - Nottingham
1312 Nottingham - London
1705 London - Nottingham (10 car)
1912 Nottingham - London
2130 London - Derby

Currently a 222
0452 Leicester - London
0648 London - Nottingham
0912 Nottingham - London
1134 London - Nottingham
1345 Nottingham - London
1547 London - Corby
1739 Corby - London
1947 London - Corby
2143 Corby - Kettering
2211 Kettering - Corby
2243 Corby - Kettering
2311 Kettering - Corby

Weekends are unknown at the moment.

EMR Regional:

Not sure about the workings yet.

EMR Electrics (class 360's):
Non are in service yet but the following working's are the driver training runs on weekdays:
3Y50: 0645 Kettering Stabling Sidings - Kentish Town 0752
3Y51: 0826 Kentish Town - Kettering Stabling Sidings 0941
3Y52: 1018 Kettering Stabling Sidings - Kentish Town 1146
3Y53: 1213 Kentish Town - Kettering Stabling Sidings 1314

Much appreciated. Any chance off the 153 diagrams iff at all possible.

 

[43055]

Much appreciated. Any chance off the 153 diagrams iff at all possible.

Thanks! Once the 153 workings are known I will add them in (same for the 170's) as I'm not sure if they have changed.

 

[Merle Haggard]

Thank you for the info'; but is the route retention diagram a long standing one? Presumably it's for London crews, as the a.m. Corby - Derby (via Syston E & N) and p.m. Derby - Kettering via Melton are running at the moment. I realise it's not always as simple as it might look...

 

[221101 Voyager]

I thought it might be useful to have a single place for the frequently requested diagrams for EMR with the introduction of the 170 and 180's and less HST's about. This can be updated when required to show the progress of the fleet change over the next few years. Hopefully this will be of use to some people.

Until 15th May 2021:

EMR Intercity:

Spoiler: HST's

Weekdays:
0600 Sheffield - London
1650 London - Corby
1837 Corby - London
2031 London - Derby

0519 Leeds - London via Derby
1734 London - Nottingham

0711 Nottingham - London
1834 London - Leeds via Nottingham

0731 Derby - London
1534 London - Nottingham
1745 Nottingham - London
2001 London - Leeds via Derby

0634 Leeds - London via Nottingham
1020 Empty Stock London - London via Corby, Leicester, Corby for route retention (not Wednesday)
1434 London - Nottingham
1645 Nottingham - London
1904 London - Leeds via Nottingham

Saturdays:
0634 Leeds - London via Nottingham
1834 London - Leeds via Nottingham

0740 Leeds - London via Nottingham
2002 London - Leeds via Derby

0745 Nottingham - London
1034 London - Nottingham

Sundays:
0950 Leeds - London via Nottingham
1455 London - Leeds via Derby

1050 Leeds - London via Derby
2040 London - Leeds via Derby

1434 Leeds - London via Derby
1835 London - Leeds via Derby

1649 Sheffield - London
2000 London - Nottingham

Spoiler: Class 180's

Weekdays:
0519 Derby - London (10 car)
0735 London - Nottingham
1012 Nottingham - London
1234 London - Nottingham
1445 Nottingham - London
1705 London - Nottingham (10 car)
1945 Nottingham - London
2150 London - Derby

0519 Derby - London (10 car)
0749 London - Corby
0932 Corby - London
1105 London - Nottingham
1312 Nottingham - London
1705 London - Nottingham (10 car)
1912 Nottingham - London
2130 London - Derby

Currently a 222
0452 Leicester - London
0648 London - Nottingham
0912 Nottingham - London
1134 London - Nottingham
1345 Nottingham - London
1547 London - Corby
1739 Corby - London
1947 London - Corby
2143 Corby - Kettering
2211 Kettering - Corby
2243 Corby - Kettering
2311 Kettering - Corby

Weekends are unknown at the moment.

EMR Regional:

Not sure about the workings yet.

EMR Electrics (class 360's):
Non are in service yet but the following working's are the driver training runs on weekdays:
3Y50: 0645 Kettering Stabling Sidings - Kentish Town 0752
3Y51: 0826 Kentish Town - Kettering Stabling Sidings 0941
3Y52: 1018 Kettering Stabling Sidings - Kentish Town 1146
3Y53: 1213 Kentish Town - Kettering Stabling Sidings 1314

Thanks very much, I wish this forum had a like/thumbs up button!

 

[Jamesrob637]

Will the breakfast return on the early Saturday HST Leeds to London?

 

[darasafvatnia]

I thought it might be useful to have a single place for the frequently requested diagrams for EMR with the introduction of the 170 and 180's and less HST's about. This can be updated when required to show the progress of the fleet change over the next few years. Hopefully this will be of use to some people.

Until 15th May 2021:

EMR Intercity:

Spoiler: HST's

Weekdays:
0600 Sheffield - London
1650 London - Corby
1837 Corby - London
2031 London - Derby

0519 Leeds - London via Derby
1734 London - Nottingham

0711 Nottingham - London
1834 London - Leeds via Nottingham

0731 Derby - London
1534 London - Nottingham
1745 Nottingham - London
2001 London - Leeds via Derby

0634 Leeds - London via Nottingham
1020 Empty Stock London - London via Corby, Leicester, Corby for route retention (not Wednesday)
1434 London - Nottingham
1645 Nottingham - London
1904 London - Leeds via Nottingham

Saturdays:
0634 Leeds - London via Nottingham
1834 London - Leeds via Nottingham

0740 Leeds - London via Nottingham
2002 London - Leeds via Derby

0745 Nottingham - London
1034 London - Nottingham

Sundays:
0950 Leeds - London via Nottingham
1455 London - Leeds via Derby

1050 Leeds - London via Derby
2040 London - Leeds via Derby

1434 Leeds - London via Derby
1835 London - Leeds via Derby

1649 Sheffield - London
2000 London - Nottingham

Spoiler: Class 180's

Weekdays:
0519 Derby - London (10 car)
0735 London - Nottingham
1012 Nottingham - London
1234 London - Nottingham
1445 Nottingham - London
1705 London - Nottingham (10 car)
1945 Nottingham - London
2150 London - Derby

0519 Derby - London (10 car)
0749 London - Corby
0932 Corby - London
1105 London - Nottingham
1312 Nottingham - London
1705 London - Nottingham (10 car)
1912 Nottingham - London
2130 London - Derby

Currently a 222
0452 Leicester - London
0648 London - Nottingham
0912 Nottingham - London
1134 London - Nottingham
1345 Nottingham - London
1547 London - Corby
1739 Corby - London
1947 London - Corby
2143 Corby - Kettering
2211 Kettering - Corby
2243 Corby - Kettering
2311 Kettering - Corby

Weekends are unknown at the moment.

EMR Regional:

Not sure about the workings yet.

EMR Electrics (class 360's):
Non are in service yet but the following working's are the driver training runs on weekdays:
3Y50: 0645 Kettering Stabling Sidings - Kentish Town 0752
3Y51: 0826 Kentish Town - Kettering Stabling Sidings 0941
3Y52: 1018 Kettering Stabling Sidings - Kentish Town 1146
3Y53: 1213 Kentish Town - Kettering Stabling Sidings 1314

Thank you so much! Do you know if these remaining HST services will remain until May or could they be replaced with 180's over the coming months?

 

[Clansman]

I'm really sorry for bringing up what probably is the biggest FAQ on EMR, but I can't find the info anywhere.

Are the remaining HSTs due to be withdrawn by the end of the year, or are they lasting longer? I understand the ex-GC ones have been withdrawn, but what about the ex-LNER ones?

 

[DB]

Thank you so much! Do you know if these remaining HST services will remain until May or could they be replaced with 180's over the coming months?

There are only four 180s, so nowhere near enough to replace all the HSTs even with the reduction in diagrams.

HSTs should be staying until May as I understand it.

 

[swt_passenger]

This is the better thread to discuss the HST future life expectancy:

Transfer of LNER HST 125s to East Midlands Railway (EMR)

Yes, it is. Thanks - good to hear I see RTT says 7 mins late at Leicester on 1st run sounthbound.

www.railforums.co.uk

Expected to be May as just posted, but as of a few days ago a dispensation for use into next year was still awaited. (It may be done but not publicly...)

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

There are only four 180s, so nowhere near enough to replace all the HSTs even with the reduction in diagrams.

HSTs should be staying until May as I understand it.

Only three units will be freed up by the 360 transfer, so it will still be tight

 

[43074]

Only three units will be freed up by the 360 transfer, so it will still be tight

The Corby services at the moment have quite lengthy turnarounds at both St Pancras and Corby so it's more like 4 units. But considering the whole timetable is being recast in May it's difficult to make direct comparisons.

Removing other inefficient parts of the timetable as of yesterday have freed up units too, like interworking trains which were HSTs with those which were Meridians, particularly at St Pancras where the Nottingham HSTs had 70 min turnarounds and at Sheffield where hourly shunt moves via Woodhouse have been removed, allowing them to shorten turnarounds on the slower of the Sheffield trains to around 20 mins saves at least another couple of units.

 

[tel]

Think i read somewhere that the x LNER HSTs be staying until the Class 810s are in service.

Tel

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Think i read somewhere that the x LNER HSTs be staying until the Class 810s are in service.

Tel

Yes, I’m sure that many people would love that but the plain reality is slam doors will not be allowed to stay until 2024.

 

[43074]

Think i read somewhere that the x LNER HSTs be staying until the Class 810s are in service.

Tel

No they are going in May. They won't be needed beyond then because the 360s will be in service.

 

[DB]

No they are going in May. They won't be needed beyond then because the 360s will be in service.

And the 810s won't be arriving for several years yet - can't see a slam-door dispensation being granted for that long in any case.

 

[Merle Haggard]

The Corby services at the moment have quite lengthy turnarounds at both St Pancras and Corby so it's more like 4 units. But considering the whole timetable is being recast in May it's difficult to make direct comparisons.

Removing other inefficient parts of the timetable as of yesterday have freed up units too, like interworking trains which were HSTs with those which were Meridians, particularly at St Pancras where the Nottingham HSTs had 70 min turnarounds and at Sheffield where hourly shunt moves via Woodhouse have been removed, allowing them to shorten turnarounds on the slower of the Sheffield trains to around 20 mins saves at least another couple of units.

Strangely, the reduction of interworking between the incompatible 222s and HSTs has been achieved by introducing a third completely non-compatible train type, the 180.

 

[43055]

Strangely, the reduction of interworking between the incompatible 222s and HSTs has been achieved by introducing a third completely non-compatible train type, the 180.

HSTs only work at peak times now which solves half the problem. The 180s and 222s also have simular performance so they can run on any service really.

 

[Merle Haggard]

HSTs only work at peak times now which solves half the problem. The 180s and 222s also have simular performance so they can run on any service really.

Thanks, I'd overlooked the performance aspect.
An HST with what seems to be the standard of 6 coaches could possibly keep to the 180/222 times, but it's the station dwell times of HSTs that slow them down. Watching the 'blue set' last night, the call took about 4-5 minutes - how it has to be, of course, on a station on a curve with slam doors.

 

[43055]

Thanks, I'd overlooked the performance aspect.
An HST with what seems to be the standard of 6 coaches could possibly keep to the 180/222 times, but it's the station dwell times of HSTs that slow them down. Watching the 'blue set' last night, the call took about 4-5 minutes - how it has to be, of course, on a station on a curve with slam doors.

A 2+6 can just about run to 222 times but the overall times are longer than that of a 222. A 2+8 set is currently running on a 222 diagram and looking at Real Time Trains it did well going south on a Sheffield fast but on the Nottingham slow it just lost time at most stations.

According to the indicator on the EMR website 2 robin hood diagrams are running as 2 vice 3 today. Does anyone know if these are meant to be 170's or 153+15x diagrams?

 

[LowLevel]

A 2+6 can just about run to 222 times but the overall times are longer than that of a 222. A 2+8 set is currently running on a 222 diagram and looking at Real Time Trains it did well going south on a Sheffield fast but on the Nottingham slow it just lost time at most stations.

According to the indicator on the EMR website 2 robin hood diagrams are running as 2 vice 3 today. Does anyone know if these are meant to be 170's or 153+15x diagrams?

Booked 170. No serviceable unit at Nottingham.

 

[43055]

Booked 170. No serviceable unit at Nottingham.

Thank you.

The 170 diagrams for weekdays have now been added to the first post.

 

[Railperf]

HSTs only work at peak times now which solves half the problem. The 180s and 222s also have simular performance so they can run on any service really.

180s currently struggling to offer reliable performance. Reports they are not out today. 180111 certainly having traction issues yesterday - but still matching a HST 8-car until one of the engines decided not to engage any traction power and remained idling.

 

[Merle Haggard]

180s currently struggling to offer reliable performance. Reports they are not out today. 180111 certainly having traction issues yesterday - but still matching a HST 8-car until one of the engines decided not to engage any traction power and remained idling.

Does anyone know how their diagrams are being covered?

The HSTs are only used in the peak, so possibly that's an option.

 

[43055]

Does anyone know how their diagrams are being covered?

The HSTs are only used in the peak, so possibly that's an option.

From EMR journey board thing the 1945 from Nottingham is a 4 car 222 so I guess the other 180 diagram is a 5 car 222.
1902 Sheffield - London showing as 4 vice 5 car 222.

The following has been HST vice 222 today:
0931 London - Sheffield
1200 Sheffield - London
1627 Derby - Kettering via Melton and Corby
1810 Kettering - Sheffield

 

[Bald Rick]

Just seen a 2+7 go past. Didn’t think there were any of those?!

 

[LowLevel]

Just seen a 2+7 go past. Didn’t think there were any of those?!

NL11 appears to have lost a TS.

There are 6, 7 and 8 in traffic today.

 

[TheBigD]

On a related note, all three of the ex Grand Central sets are now at Potters at Ely. Two of the sets went down Monday morning and the last one this morning.

 

[Railperf]

On a related note, all three of the ex Grand Central sets are now at Potters at Ely. Two of the sets went down Monday morning and the last one this morning.

Pity!! They are still needed until the 180s reliability improves.

 

[Ethan1852]

A Class 170 operates the 17:42 Derby to Crewe via stoke on trent.