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Andy873

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Hi everyone,

Can anyone help please?

I have three questions:

1. I have been sent an engine record card for locomotive 8f 48218, there is an entry in the shed allocation list that says

O/L NWL does O/L mean on loan? (it was only there for a brief period of time)

2. What shed would NWL be, any ideas anyone?

48218 spent most of it's time based in Nottingham, then moved up to the North West of England.

3. Attached is part of the record card, I can make out the word "Firebox", but can anyone make out the
word above?

Thanks,
Andy.
 

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Hi everyone,

Can anyone help please?

I have three questions:

1. I have been sent an engine record card for locomotive 8f 48218, there is an entry in the shed allocation list that says

O/L NWL does O/L mean on loan? (it was only there for a brief period of time)

2. What shed would NWL be, any ideas anyone?

48218 spent most of it's time based in Nottingham, then moved up to the North West of England.

3. Attached is part of the record card, I can make out the word "Firebox", but can anyone make out the
word above?

Thanks,
Andy.
I would have thought it read 'inter' so presumably an abbreviation for something like 'intermediate' but I'm not sufficiently well versed in terminology to know if this is feasible or credible.
 

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I would have thought it read 'inter' so presumably an abbreviation for something like 'intermediate' but I'm not sufficiently well versed in terminology to know if this is feasible or credible.
Thanks,

Inter would make a whole lot of sense as it's short for "Intermediate service" which is one of the common abbreviations used - thanks!
 

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NWL - Possibly North Western Lines ? 1965 record shows the engine now shedded at Lancaster (10J).
Thanks Andy,

That would make sense too.

If anyone is wondering why 48218? I saw it being used to pull up my local railway line in 1967, I was only about 15 / 16 months old - the most beautiful thing I have ever seen and I remember it like it was yesterday!
 

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According to Shed by Shed, Part One, 48218 was ar Nottingham until 3/64, then at Speke Junction until 10/64, Lancaster until 6/65 and Rose Grove until 9/67, when it seems to have been withdrawn. The LMR used a number of letter codes for various divisions or lines at times: I don’t know of NWL, but WL was used for Western Lines from 4/66. However, I have only seen these codes used for diesels, but they could have been used for steam, or it is a bit of informal shorthand, or just a clerical mistake in using the abbreviation in the wrong place.
 

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According to Shed by Shed, Part One, 48218 was ar Nottingham until 3/64, then at Speke Junction until 10/64, Lancaster until 6/65 and Rose Grove until 9/67, when it seems to have been withdrawn. The LMR used a number of letter codes for various divisions or lines at times: I don’t know of NWL, but WL was used for Western Lines from 4/66. However, I have only seen these codes used for diesels, but they could have been used for steam, or it is a bit of informal shorthand, or just a clerical mistake in using the abbreviation in the wrong place.
Thanks,

That really is much appreciated!
 

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NWL is a Line Traffic code. The LMR was split into three Lines for traffic purposes, WL, ML and NWL. Only the first two ever had locomotives "allocated" to them - the idea behind the allocation was that any diesel or electric loco could be dealt with at any depot on that "line". The concept and control arrangements were more suited to modern motive power so the scheme wasn't extended to steam locos or the NWL, where the main remaining steam activity was.

So if a loco was to be loaned out (or loaned pending transfer) to a particular "Line", I can see why it could be allocated NWL before gaining or reverting to a particular shed code. Usually the LMR would actually transfer a steam loco to a particular shed O/L so this is one I haven't come across before.

Inter is indeed Intermediate but it isn't a "service". Normal shed exams (a combination of days and mileage based tasks) were not usually recorded on BR History cards but works repairs and overhauls were. An Intermediate Repair is one type of "Classified Overhaul", carried out on a mileage/time basis - another one you might come across is G (or HG) - a General (or Heavy General) Repair. If you see C/L (or LC) or C/H (or HC) on the cards, these are "Unclassified Repairs" usually done at works - the C is for Casual and L or H is Light or Heavy. Sometimes you even might see an HI or LI instead of a pure "Int" or "Inter".

Sequencing of Classified Overhauls varied. Some would go G-G and some might be G-I-I-G or G-I-G or some would be I-I-I, the latter being mainly a WR thing as they maintained their engine components to a mileage interval standard and the final classification of locomotive repair depended on what repair the boiler actually got! Of course, if any loco had an out of course boiler change (which would be one of the reasons why HC or C/H would be used), that could really upset any sequence and also time between shops.

8F locos were mainly shopped in LMR days to Crewe, Derby, Horwich with some work being done at both Bow and Rugby. After the Workshops were taken into central BRB control ("the Workshops Division") in 1962, the regional grip declined and they started to be sent to other places like Darlington and Eastleigh.
 
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NWL is a Line Traffic code. The LMR was split into three Lines for traffic purposes, WL, ML and NWL. Only the first two ever had locomotives "allocated" to them - the idea behind the allocation was that any diesel or electric loco could be dealt with at any depot on that "line". The concept and control arrangements were more suited to modern motive power so the scheme wasn't extended to steam locos or the NWL, where the main remaining steam activity was.

So if a loco was to be loaned out (or loaned pending transfer) to a particular "Line", I can see why it could be allocated NWL before gaining or reverting to a particular shed code. Usually the LMR would actually transfer a steam loco to a particular shed O/L so this is one I haven't come across before.

Inter is indeed Intermediate but it isn't a "service". Normal shed exams (a combination of days and mileage based tasks) were not usually recorded on BR History cards but works repairs and overhauls were. An Intermediate Repair is one type of "Classified Overhaul", carried out on a mileage/time basis - another one you might come across is G (or HG) - a General (or Heavy General) Repair. If you see C/L (or LC) or C/H (or HC) on the cards, these are "Unclassified Repairs" usually done at works - the C is for Casual and L or H is Light or Heavy. Sometimes you even might see an HI or LI instead of a pure "Int" or "Inter".

Sequencing of Classified Overhauls varied. Some would go G-G and some might be G-I-I-G or G-I-G or some would be I-I-I, the latter being mainly a WR thing as they maintained their engine components to a standard mileage interval standard and the final classification of locomotive repair depended on what repair the boiler actually got! Of course, if any loco had an out of course boiler change (which would be one of the reasons why HC or C/H would be used), that could really upset any sequence and also time between shops.

8F locos were mainly shopped in LMR days to Crewe, Derby, Horwich with some work being done at both Bow and Rugby. After the Workshops were taken into central BRB control ("the Workshops Division") in 1962, the regional grip declined and they started to be sent to other places like Darlington and Eastleigh.
Thanks,

That's a very detailed reply and makes good sense, thanks for taking the time to reply.

Andy.
 
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