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In other news here's an up to date list of repaints as of 14/11/2020.

11106/08/09/10/11/15 (all have red fronts with branding for the 1/2)
37636
39701-3 (Hydrogen Project branding)
63196/199/203/212/214
67783/86/91/93/96-804
69124/134/254/258/282/284/290/294

11113 left York last week for repaint.
37635 was due to return yesterday, no reported sightings as of yet but it's supposedly to get a special NHS livery.
69130 was due to go for repaint next in 37635s place having been off the road since early October with accident damage.

Streetdeck-FCEVs 39701/2/3 have been been registered SV70BWK/L/M, although the latter two are yet to arrive at King Street.
As noted previously 37635 has now been repainted with special NHS branding on the front.
69130 is currently away being repainted, it's expected when 69130 returns they'll make a start on repainting the E500s, some of which will have red branding like the Citaros for the 1/2.
 
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As noted previously 37635 has now been repainted with special NHS branding on the front.
69130 is currently away being repainted, it's expected when 69130 returns they'll make a start on repainting the E500s, some of which will have red branding like the Citaros for the 1/2.
With 61930 having returned do you know if an E500 went in its place?
 

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The E500s are such nice buses it would be nice to see them get an internal refurb the seats are really worn now.
They were meant to be done in 2016 but it never went ahead unfortunately.

Nothing is set in stone yet as it's still quite early stages but they are hoping to refurbish the E500s next year.
 

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They were meant to be done in 2016 but it never went ahead unfortunately.

Nothing is set in stone yet as it's still quite early stages but they are hoping to refurbish the E500s next year.
That’ll be interesting I hope this goes ahead.

It’ll also be cool to see an E500 fully branded.
 

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Citaro 11108 has now entered service. Albeit only on the Lochside Academy 22A/22C service.



Festive service details are now on the First website, notably the Streetdecks now feature in publicity (pictured below).

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Festive Service Levels

"Please see below detail on our services which will operate over the festive period for First Aberdeen.

Please note that we will endeavour to ensure our app displays the correct timetables, but ask that customers refer to this page in the first instance ahead of travel."

Thursday 24th December (Christmas Eve) - Normal weekday timetable will operate with early finishes. Please click here to view.

Friday 25th December - (Christmas Day)No services will operate.

Saturday 26th December - (Boxing Day) Special timetables will operate.

Sunday 27th December - Normal Sunday service

Monday 28th to Wednesday 30th December - Saturday timetables will operate.

Thursday 31st December (Hogmanay) - Normal weekday timetable will operate with early finishes.

Friday 1st January (New Years Day) - No service will operate.

Saturday 2nd January - Special timetables will operate.

Sunday 3rd January - Normal Sunday service.

Monday 4th January - Saturday timetables will operate.

Tuesday 5th January - Normal Monday - Friday timetables resume.

You can view details of the special timetables/early finishes here - https://www.firstgroup.com/uploads/node_images/First Aberdeen Festive Guide 2020-21.pdf
 
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Citaro 11108 has now entered service. Albeit only on the Lochside Academy 22A/22C service.

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Festive service details are now on the First website, notably the Streetdecks now feature in publicity (pictured below).

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Have the Citaros been internally refurbished or are they just the same as they were in York?
 

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A 4th Streetdeck (presumably 39704) was delivered today with a turquoise front end confirming that at least some will be route branding for the 19.

Have the Citaros been internally refurbished or are they just the same as they were in York?
Just the same as they left York sadly. They were meant to be getting refurbished and upgraded for LEZ but Covid meant those plans being axed/delyed until next year. Speaking of which the last two Citaros 11112/14 are meant to have left York now. 11108 briefly entered service on Monday afternoon and Tuesday morning on the Lochside Academy Service 22A/22C but was off today. Strangely B7LA 10165 has been reinstated despite being off the road for two months.
 

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11109 has had a few of the worst seats retrimmed in Glasgow, but most are very faded and should have been retrimmed also.
 

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Disappointing about the Citaros not being returned. The seats look faded. Hopefully they do them and the E500s together next year.
 

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As part of the government funding agreement the company has to show that it has cut costs as much as possible. Spending money on refurbishing a bus isn’t exactly essential. Will probably be done once the funding agreement stops.
 

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As part of the government funding agreement the company has to show that it has cut costs as much as possible. Spending money on refurbishing a bus isn’t exactly essential. Will probably be done once the funding agreement stops.
Agree, it's sad that the refurbishment was pulled. But for the moment it makes sense.
 

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I suppose it depends on how long they want to keep them. They will be fully depreciated by the time the Low Emissions Zone is fully implemented in Aberdeen now, so may well not get the emissions upgrade.
 

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I suppose it depends on how long they want to keep them. They will be fully depreciated by the time the Low Emissions Zone is fully implemented in Aberdeen now, so may well not get the emissions upgrade.
I’d like to hope by the time they need replaced they will be roughly the same age as the E500 so they’ll go together. Hopefully by that point First decide to place an order for new Wright artics for the 1/2. Bendy buses seem like the only suitable replacement.
 

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Initially it was because the person in charge then did not like double deckers.
 

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I've often seen the statements that refer to the need to have e500s and/or bendis in Aberdeen.

What is the actual requirement that necessitates such "specialist equipment" for want of a better phrase, and/or precludes the use of standard fleet?
It's mainly due to the sheer volume of students going to RGU. The Artics are better suited to the 1/1B as they can load faster and have a far higher overall capacity (you can get 160 on the B7LAs vs around 110 on a E500), whereas the E500s are better suited to the 2 as the higher seat capacity is needed for the longer journeys out to Ashwood. Another issue is that lots of people get on for short journeys along King Street in to town so are reluctant to go upstairs meaning the lower deck gets crammed full while the upper deck is half empty. Whereas those same people will happily go right up to the back of a B7LA so you get better usage of space.

Obviously 2020 is quite different however typically the 1/1B/2 towards RGU would be running on a two minute frequency in the morning peak that's not including duplicates they've sometimes ran with coaches, and full loaded artics are the norm (pictured below)
Pictured below is a sample timetable from September 2017 showing the off peak frequency, there was actually even more short workings prior to 2016 with most of them going to St Machar Drive. In recent years they've cut the number of offpeak short workings which have lead to severe capacity issues at certain times of day.
I’d like to hope by the time they need replaced they will be roughly the same age as the E500 so they’ll go together. Hopefully by that point First decide to place an order for new Wright artics for the 1/2. Bendy buses seem like the only suitable replacement.
I doubt they'll buy Hydrogen Artics. Ideally a 50/50 fleet with 15 Artics and 15 Deckers would work best. But knowing our luck we'll probably just get midlife cascades from elsewhere.
 

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It's mainly due to the sheer volume of students going to RGU. The Artics are better suited to the 1/1B as they can load faster and have a far higher overall capacity (you can get 160 on the B7LAs vs around 110 on a E500), whereas the E500s are better suited to the 2 as the higher seat capacity is needed for the longer journeys out to Ashwood. Another issue is that lots of people get on for short journeys along King Street in to town so are reluctant to go upstairs meaning the lower deck gets crammed full while the upper deck is half empty. Whereas those same people will happily go right up to the back of a B7LA so you get better usage of space.

Obviously 2020 is quite different however typically the 1/1B/2 towards RGU would be running on a two minute frequency in the morning peak that's not including duplicates they've sometimes ran with coaches, and full loaded artics are the norm (pictured below)

Pictured below is a sample timetable from September 2017 showing the off peak frequency, there was actually even more short workings prior to 2016 with most of them going to St Machar Drive. In recent years they've cut the number of offpeak short workings which have lead to severe capacity issues at certain times of day.


I doubt they'll buy Hydrogen Artics. Ideally a 50/50 fleet with 15 Artics and 15 Deckers would work best. But knowing our luck we'll probably just get midlife cascades from elsewhere.

Thank you for that information. I suspect that they'll run the Citaros into the ground for the next few years. However, no one in the UK is buying bendis now and hasn't for years so I don't think that it's likely. They could go down the Lothian route and XLBs.

It's always a risk to draw parallels between operations so with that caveat..... In Bath, the artics (which were confined to peak hour use) have gone and we're yet to see what will replace them on those duties. However, Bath (and Bristol) have gone for long wheelbase deckers (single axle) with dual doors for the standard operations for the Universities and they seat nearly the same as an e500.
 

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Thank you for that information. I suspect that they'll run the Citaros into the ground for the next few years. However, no one in the UK is buying bendis now and hasn't for years so I don't think that it's likely. They could go down the Lothian route and XLBs.

It's always a risk to draw parallels between operations so with that caveat..... In Bath, the artics (which were confined to peak hour use) have gone and we're yet to see what will replace them on those duties. However, Bath (and Bristol) have gone for long wheelbase deckers (single axle) with dual doors for the standard operations for the Universities and they seat nearly the same as an e500.
No problem, i agree. Aberdeen will probably keep the E500s and Citaros for as long as possible. They're only 11 years old so they likely have another 5-6 years.

Long wheelbase E400MMCs could work as the seated capacity is comparable to the E500s and the dimensions are roughly the same as a full length E200MMC. They did trial the Geminis on the 1/2 around a decade ago but found that they were too small. The issue with E400XLBs is that they likely won't get round Balgownie on the 1 or Ashwood on the 2 while other parts of the route such as Holburn Street and exiting RGU will also cause problems. The E200MMCs and Streetlites can't get round Ashwood in one go so have to reverse and they're about two metres shorter than a E400XLB.

One of the good things about the B7LAs is they're highly manoeuvrable as someone noted elsewhere the other day the position of the turntable on them means that they're basically a midi-bus with a trailer so the turning circle is pretty good. It'll be interesting to see how the Citaros cope as the turntable is much further back with the wheelbase being longer so the turning circle won't be as good. The B7LAs are split roughly 50/50, whereas the Citaros are split 60/40.

Pictured below is 10165 turning at Balgownie. Admittedly the photo perhaps doesn't give the best idea of how tight and awkward the turn is but even the E500s only just fit and tyre scrub has been quite a persistent issue.
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I’d like to hope by the time they need replaced they will be roughly the same age as the E500 so they’ll go together. Hopefully by that point First decide to place an order for new Wright artics for the 1/2. Bendy buses seem like the only suitable replacement.

It's mainly due to the sheer volume of students going to RGU. The Artics are better suited to the 1/1B as they can load faster and have a far higher overall capacity (you can get 160 on the B7LAs vs around 110 on a E500), whereas the E500s are better suited to the 2 as the higher seat capacity is needed for the longer journeys out to Ashwood. Another issue is that lots of people get on for short journeys along King Street in to town so are reluctant to go upstairs meaning the lower deck gets crammed full while the upper deck is half empty. Whereas those same people will happily go right up to the back of a B7LA so you get better usage of space.

Obviously 2020 is quite different however typically the 1/1B/2 towards RGU would be running on a two minute frequency in the morning peak that's not including duplicates they've sometimes ran with coaches, and full loaded artics are the norm (pictured below)

Pictured below is a sample timetable from September 2017 showing the off peak frequency, there was actually even more short workings prior to 2016 with most of them going to St Machar Drive. In recent years they've cut the number of offpeak short workings which have lead to severe capacity issues at certain times of day.


I doubt they'll buy Hydrogen Artics. Ideally a 50/50 fleet with 15 Artics and 15 Deckers would work best. But knowing our luck we'll probably just get midlife cascades from elsewhere.
There aren't many options in the artic market here. Maybe new Mercedes Benz Citaros could fit the bill? But like you say, that's a while away
 

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That’ll be interesting I hope this goes ahead.

It’ll also be cool to see an E500 fully branded.
38203 is now back from repaint, although hasn't been branded. Presumably because 38203 was unbranded before so doesn't make sense to brand it when they're planning to reduce the number of branded E500s.

 

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38203 is now back from repaint, although hasn't been branded. Presumably because 38203 was unbranded before so doesn't make sense to brand it when they're planning to reduce the number of branded E500s.

Looks very smart! Do you know if another E500 has gone in its place?
 

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Another view of 38203 forming the 08:30 this morning from Ashwood.
 

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Another view of 38203 forming the 08:30 this morning from Ashwood.
Saw it earlier while heading to the shop, looks great in person although i wish the green was slightly further forward so it doesn't cut in to the Ad-blue spill guard.

Looks very smart! Do you know if another E500 has gone in its place?
38210 went down for repaint when 38203 returned.

Streetlite 63201 is currently in the workshop being repanelled so presumably will go for repaint once 38210 returns. Repaints normally halt over the festive period so 63201 will probably be the last repaint until they start again in January.

Some more updates:
Gemini 37636 has returned to service having been off the road for around a month.
Citaro 11110 has now entered service, although like 11108 is currently being restricted to Lochside duties, i'd guess this is because not all drivers have been type trained yet.
Streetdeck 39702 (SV70BWL) is now being used on driver training and testing alongside 39701 (SV70BWM).
Another Streetdeck arrived yesterday bringing the total now to 5 they seem to be coming at a rate of one every 2-3 days. There's still no date set for entry in to service but i'd guess it'll probably be next month.
 
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Saw it earlier while heading to the shop, looks great in person although i wish the green was slightly further forward so it doesn't cut in to the Ad-blue spill guard.


38210 went down for repaint when 38203 returned.

Streetlite 63201 is currently in the workshop being repanelled so presumably will go for repaint once 38210 returns. Repaints normally halt over the festive period so 63201 will probably be the last repaint until they start again in January.

Some more updates:
Gemini 37636 has returned to service having been off the road for around a month.
Citaro 11110 has now entered service, although like 11108 is currently being restricted to Lochside duties, i'd guess this is because not all drivers have been type trained yet.
Streetdeck 39702 (SV70BWL) is now being used on driver training and testing alongside 39701 (SV70BWM).
Another Streetdeck arrived yesterday bringing the total now to 5 they seem to be coming at a rate of one every 2-3 days. There's still no date set for entry in to service but i'd guess it'll probably be next month.
38210 is currently branded for the Bridges so perhaps this may be the first one to receive the new red front branding.
 

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Citaros 11108 and 11109 have entered service today on the 1.

Heres a photo of 11108 just now. Possibly one of the nicest buses I have ever been on!
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