First West Yorkshire & York discussion

[Andyh82]

Bus Changes information is now on the Metro website as are timetables for the 184, 382 and 383

This is 11 days before the service change come into force



Current buses from Wilberlee on a Sunday on service 396 run at 1210, 1410, 1610 & 1810

The new buses on service 382 have been slotted in at 1105, 1305, 1505, 1705, these pass Slaithwaite about 7 minutes later

Service 184 buses run at 0759, 0959, 1159, 1359, 1559, 1759

So whether you live up at Hill Top or Wilberlee, or on Manchester Road you get a service into Huddersfield approximately hourly

If anyone can think of a way to coordinate these three separate two hourly Sunday services any better, then you can respond below

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Bus Changes information is now on the Metro website as are timetables for the 184, 382 and 383

This is 11 days before the service change come into force

Which is 12 days more notice than for other recent changes (590 group)! In terms of detailed times rather than vague phrases such as 'revised times' anyway.

 

[TUC]

Which is 12 days more notice than for other recent changes (590 group)! In terms of detailed times rather than vague phrases such as 'revised times' anyway.

I am unclear why it takes Metro much longer than bustimes.org to upload changed timetables.

 

[YorkRailFan]

York Pullman to operate First York's Y22 service | York City Football Club

Starting from Aldershot at home on Saturday, March 16th, long-standing club partner York Pullman will now operate First York's Y22 service on their behalf.

yorkcityfootballclub.co.uk

Starting from Aldershot at home on Saturday, March 16th, long-standing club partner York Pullman will now operate First York’s Y22 service on their behalf.

Supporters looking to utilise the service will still need to purchase Y22 tickets, which can be done on the First Bus app or from the York Pullman driver.

That frees up some of First York's buses for other services whilst using some of York Pullman's buses.

 

[dodecahedron67]

York Pullman to operate First York's Y22 service | York City Football Club

Starting from Aldershot at home on Saturday, March 16th, long-standing club partner York Pullman will now operate First York's Y22 service on their behalf.

yorkcityfootballclub.co.uk

That frees up some of First York's buses for other services whilst using some of York Pullman's buses.

Yeah I wasn't sure when this was becoming public, but it's been known for about a week internally

Going to be weird dealing with Lothian B9s instead of electrics, but at least they can take more people!

It will still be FirstYork staff supervising the operation of the Y22 from Stonebow before the match and Monks Cross after

 

[Seehof]

Why is this route Y22? There is already a 22 route in York. Surely it should be 9A or to give it a stronger branding, 99.

 

[dodecahedron67]

Why is this route Y22? There is already a 22 route in York. Surely it should be 9A or to give it a stronger branding, 99.

York City were founded in 1922. Club chose the number not us.

If it were up to me I'd have it has 199 as the 19x series in York is used for Races (197) and Uni Shuttles (198) from the station, so completes that triad

Also the 22 becomes the 82 from the 8th April

 

[Seehof]

What has happened to York’s Kite 56? According to Bustimes.org it has not been out since 4th December!
Any news on the diversion of route 10? The five diesel buses seem all to be out everyday, yesterday four were on the 10 and I saw one on the 1. The 2 Bendys are out a lot too. Thanks

 

[dodecahedron67]

What has happened to York’s Kite 56? According to Bustimes.org it has not been out since 4th December!
Any news on the diversion of route 10? The five diesel buses seem all to be out everyday, yesterday four were on the 10 and I saw one on the 1. The 2 Bendys are out a lot too. Thanks

Think that’s the one that got into an accident and is being repaired.

Diversion of 10 waits. There’s rumblings of quits significant changes to the 10/59 combo but don’t want to say anything yet (and can’t!) in case it never happens and I cause unnecessary panic.

As before, 5x B7s are being kept for 10s and the Bendys kept till MOT expires or the buses blow up, whichever comes first.


On another note, positive news for the Park and Ride!

2s go to a clockface 10-12min frequency/4 bus operation M-F, Su, and an 8min frequency/5 bus operation Sat permanently from 24th March.

Services 3, 7, 8, & 9 will be going up to every 10 min for the 2 weeks of easter holidays

 

[YorkRailFan]

I've heard that today will be the final day of operations for the Bendies in York today with 11103 doing the honors.

https://twitter.com/Konnor_James/status/1774054574371819981?t=gTAhUh3CwmeJTBEgRxHTOg&s=19

About to start a milestone shift in York bus history. The final day of bendy buses operating in public service. I’ve got 9s and 7s today. I’m on board 0705 which 11103 has been allocated to. Meaning I’ll be the last to drive a bendy in service. Dug the blazer out for the occasion

 

[dodecahedron67]

I've heard that today will be the final day of operations for the Bendies in York today with 11103 doing the honors.

https://twitter.com/Konnor_James/status/1774054574371819981?t=gTAhUh3CwmeJTBEgRxHTOg&s=19

Yesterday was. Had the pleasure of covering a trip or two on 11104 on 8s during the day.

All bendys now withdrawn.

 

[YorkRailFan]

University of York services

C2 and CB1 route changes from Sunday 7th April On Sunday 7th April, we’re introducing some route changes to C2 and CB1 services as summarised below.

www.firstbus.co.uk

On Sunday 7th April, we’re introducing some route changes to C2 and CB1 services as summarised below.

C2 will no longer serve Heslington Church bus stop, it will run along Church Lane travelling down Innovation Way then double-back on itself so it can serve both Heslington Hall bus stops on inbound and outbound trips.
CB1 will no longer serve Campus West. Instead of serving James College and Dalham Farm, it will drop off at Heslington Hall bus stop then turn left onto Field Lane towards Campus East.
These changes have been made following discussions and with agreement between residents, the University, First York, YUSU, and local councillors.

Shame CB1 won't serve Campus West, I imagine it was handy for Uni students needing to go there.

 

[dodecahedron67]

University of York services

C2 and CB1 route changes from Sunday 7th April On Sunday 7th April, we’re introducing some route changes to C2 and CB1 services as summarised below.

www.firstbus.co.uk

Shame CB1 won't serve Campus West, I imagine it was handy for Uni students needing to go there.

This has been awful marketing. It’s still serving Campus West, it’s just reverting to last year’s routing - not service James College/Newton Way and running the normal 66 route through campus.

CB1 is also the night route - absolutely no-one used it to Newton Way hence the cull.

Whether it was predicted that it was a pointless extension and yet got overruled by elsewhere is another matter…

 

[stevieinselby]

University of York services

C2 and CB1 route changes from Sunday 7th April On Sunday 7th April, we’re introducing some route changes to C2 and CB1 services as summarised below.

www.firstbus.co.uk

Shame CB1 won't serve Campus West, I imagine it was handy for Uni students needing to go there.

Misleading to say that it won't serve Campus West – it will still run down University Road, which goes right through the middle of Campus West. It's only a few minutes walk from bus stops along that road to anywhere on Campus West, or from Heslington Hall to Halifax College, so students will still have a night bus that gets them close to home – for a guess, the number of students who used it to anywhere on the double-run to James College and back was very low, or they wouldn't be getting rid of it.

 

[dodecahedron67]

Misleading to say that it won't serve Campus West – it will still run down University Road, which goes right through the middle of Campus West. It's only a few minutes walk from bus stops along that road to anywhere on Campus West, or from Heslington Hall to Halifax College, so students will still have a night bus that gets them close to home – for a guess, the number of students who used it to anywhere on the double-run to James College and back was very low, or they wouldn't be getting rid of it.

0 or single figures every night

 

[Edvid]

It seems all 12 York P&R Versas are now repowered.

Bus and coach electric repower specialist Equipmake has upgraded 12 of First York’s Optare Versas with its electric drivetrain.

The electric buses now feature Equipmake’s Zero-Emission Drivetrain (ZED) technology, which in this specification, features a 274kWh capacity battery, providing a range of 150 miles in all UK weather conditions.

The delivery follows on from a successful trial of an initial converted prototype vehicle, which allowed engineering teams at First York and Equipmake to evaluate its performance and make any final adjustments. The completed 12 buses are now in full service across the city.

AIUI, this involved replacing the original powertrains with Equipmake versions (which include fresh batteries). @dodecahedron67, given what you said two months ago, does this mean the Versas are now on their third set of batteries? If so, may I also ask what the issues with the second set were?

 

[dodecahedron67]

It seems all 12 York P&R Versas are now repowered.

AIUI, this involved replacing the original powertrains with Equipmake versions (which include fresh batteries). @dodecahedron67, given what you said two months ago, does this mean the Versas are now on their third set of batteries? If so, may I also ask what the issues with the second set were?

Think the second set were issues with the water/glycol thermal regulation. Not dangerous, just below expected performance.

The batteries are leased though, so they’ll just change them as soon as something’s up with them.

Also, all 12 have been “repowered” since November(ish?), a couple have just had new batteries since coming back “repowered”. Can’t remember the exact date we got the last versa (49903 I think it was) back from equipmake.

They’re still absolute sheds to drive though

 

[Seehof]

What do you mean by “sheds”? Do you mean difficult to drive? Never heard that expression before!!!

 

[dodecahedron67]

Sheds just a general term for a pile of ****. Not nice to drive, cold, rattly, falling to pieces, etc. They handle like boats with a massive deadzone on the steering wheel.

About 2 weeks ago something needing doing up at Poppy Bar and the driver of the bus I took up there handed me a roof panel that had fallen on him whilst driving along Leeman Road…

 

[Seehof]

A lot of money has been spent on them so no chance of replacing them yet, unfortunately. In any case they cannot be replaced by Kites because of the low Leeman Road bridge.
I await with interest any possible change to the 10/59 routes. I remember some years ago some Poppleton residents wanted the 10s extended to Poppleton Road P&R in the evenings. Not only would this provide a late evening service to this site but provide them with a more regular evening service.

 

[dodecahedron67]

Given the Poppleton half of the 10 is not doing too well with loadings, I’m not sure there’s going to be any ‘improvements’ to the service west of Central York bar a rerouting/change to avoid Leeman Road…

 

[Seehof]

I don’t think the 59 does so well either as I often see it, as I live near it although it does not stop anywhere near where I live. This is a major criticism of my immediate neighbours!

 

[YorkRailFan]

I don’t think the 59 does so well either as I often see it, as I live near it although it does not stop anywhere near where I live. This is a major criticism of my immediate neighbours!

The issue with 59 is that, unlike on other Express services, there isn't a frequent bus service running alongside it for its entire route stopping at all bus stops (currently 22/23 runs bi-hourly along 59 before continuing to Boroughbridge, Ripon and Knaresborough) compared to say 3 which has Coastliner, 12, 13 and 37 all running alongside 3 for the entire of 3 with 4 also running between York Central and the Cross Keys.

 

[Seehof]

All the more reason for it to stop more! The 5/5A also parallel it for part of the way, of course.

 

[YorkRailFan]

All the more reason for it to stop more! The 5/5A also parallel it for part of the way, of course.

As does 1 as far as the Fox Inn alongside 412. 24 runs slightly further and 16 leaves on Holgate Hill.

 

[Seehof]

Surely not, the 59 goes via Leeman road now not Blossom Street and Holgate Hill.

 

[YorkRailFan]

Surely not, the 59 goes via Leeman road now not Blossom Street and Holgate Hill.

10 would run partially along side it though.

 

[Ant158]

10 would run partially along side it though.

The 10 was an every 12 mins service years ago, now hourly. The 7 provides Fulford with its frequent service, the 59 could do the same and cut the 10 back to the Station?

 

[stevieinselby]

The 10 was an every 12 mins service years ago, now hourly. The 7 provides Fulford with its frequent service, the 59 could do the same and cut the 10 back to the Station?

The best the 10 has been in the last twenty-five years was every 20 minutes, and that was finished by 2008 if not before.
It's now about every 35 minutes.

I guess theoretically the 59 could be extended beyond the P&R to run a loop round the village, but it has complications.
With one extra bus on the route, you could just about fit it into the schedule but it would be very tight.
On Sundays, you would end up with a very inefficient service as you would still need an extra bus, but that means an increase of 50% rather than 25%.
And you would only save one bus from the 10, you could probably run a half-hourly service to the Station Road loop with 3 buses so a slight improvement in regularity there but still needing the same resource overall.
But at the same time, you've now lost the service to Manor School and close to Great North Way, giving those people a longer walk, and passengers to/from Poppleton would have a longer journey, albeit more frequent, and P&R users would have a slower journey.

The difference with the 7 is that it involves a change to the route, whereas the 7 just calls at all stops along its normal route. (Although I'm really not sure why – it gets really busy at times, so carrying local passengers does cause problems, and there are plenty of other buses running down Fulford Road ... unlike on the road out to Rawcliffe Bar, which has a sparse and irregular service).

 

[YorkRailFan]

The 10 was an every 12 mins service years ago, now hourly. The 7 provides Fulford with its frequent service, the 59 could do the same and cut the 10 back to the Station?

Then there would have to be a diversion of 59 to serve the Manor School twice daily.