Football

[150249]

Either way, I would like to see something from them. 4-0 to Hungary is a travesty. Refereeing was appalling.

 

[GS250]

Absolutely disgusting performance from England, no excuses whatsoever. For me this is much worse than losing to Iceland - Iceland’s performance was heroic, Hungary’s then was that of a normal functional team, actually creating and converting chances.

Southgate has created a huge rod for his own back with his political virtue signalling. What it does mean is that a large section of the hardcore England fanbase has taken a dislike to him and this before any football related failings. Difficult for him to come back from the current situation really.

Reactions to poor performances are always harsher away from the sanitised atmosphere of Wembley too.

 

[Halish Railway]

Who is even bothered with the Nations League? These players are knackered and will need to play in a World Cup this winter. None of the players playing are at their best. Let them have a break!

But had the World Cup would be underway had it been held in a country with weather in June/July that is conducive to playing football and given that England are in group B they would have played already. They play International football straight after the Premier League season has finished either way so they can’t have their break.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It's likely to be their final season in the Highland League as well. They'll have a play-off against Banks O'Dee, who haven't lost a game all season in the North Superleague. Banks O'Dee are also a full member of the SFA, so they can get promoted. The same Banks O'Dee also beat East Fife this season in the Scottish Cup, so it's going to be an incredible struggle for Fort William to survive the play-offs.

Was there a matter that stopped the play-off from taking place. A contact has just told me that Fort William will be playing in the North Caledonian league next season.

 

[Cloud Strife]

Was there a matter that stopped the play-off from taking place. A contact has just told me that Fort William will be playing in the North Caledonian league next season.

Yes, Fort William didn't have enough eligible players. They wanted to play players who had signed after January 31st (the deadline for registering players taking part in the playoffs), but they were refused. Their first choice goalkeeper went back to Poland, and it was clear that they were going to get hammered in the playoffs if they couldn't play the players signed after the deadline.

In all fairness, the NCL is probably the right place for them. Banks O'Dee should finish comfortably mid table, while Fort Bill have been floundering for years.

The whole pyramid in Scotland has been fantastic though. Cowdenbeath have finally been relegated into the Lowland League after years of mediocrity, too. I don't see Bonnyrigg doing much in League 2, but then again - look how both Edinburgh City and Kelty Hearts got promoted this season.

 

[THC]

The whole pyramid in Scotland has been fantastic though. Cowdenbeath have finally been relegated into the Lowland League after years of mediocrity, too. I don't see Bonnyrigg doing much in League 2, but then again - look how both Edinburgh City and Kelty Hearts got promoted this season.

The pyramid has been a great success - apart from the Lowland League admitting the B teams from Celtic, Sevco and now Hearts. These teams belong in a reserve league, not in the pyramid. And I type that as a Celtic fan.

THC

 

[Mcr Warrior]

The pyramid has been a great success - apart from the Lowland League admitting the B teams from Celtic, Sevco and now Hearts. These teams belong in a reserve league, not in the pyramid. And I type that as a Celtic fan.

Wouldn't have ever guessed after you'd referred to the mob from the other side of Glasgow as 'Sevco'.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The pyramid has been a great success - apart from the Lowland League admitting the B teams from Celtic, Sevco and now Hearts. These teams belong in a reserve league, not in the pyramid. And I type that as a Celtic fan.

THC

Is there a ruling that this league is the highest that these "B" teams can proceed in the pyramid?

 

[THC]

Is there a ruling that this league is the highest that these "B" teams can proceed in the pyramid?

As things stand, yes, but the SFA and SPFL have apparently promised a "review" of promotion and relegation between the SPFL and the pyramid with automatic places seemingly implied. I fully expect that allowing B teams into the SPFL will be the price to pay.

Wouldn't have ever guessed after you'd referred to the mob from the other side of Glasgow as 'Sevco'.

Still an assumption, to be fair. Fans of many clubs refer to the entity that plays football at Ibrox currently by that name.

THC

 

[D6968]

As a Sassenach can I ask who or what is Sevco?

 

[Typhoon]

As a Sassenach can I ask who or what is Sevco?

Rangers F.C. is a Scottish football club based in Glasgow. They were founded in 1872 and incorporated in 1899, forming the company The Rangers Football Club Ltd.. In 2000, then chairman and owner David Murray floated the club on the stock market which subsequently made the private company into a public limited company (PLC).

In 2012, The Rangers Football Club PLC entered administration and the company's business and assets, including Rangers F.C., Ibrox Stadium and the Rangers Training Centre were bought by Sevco Scotland Ltd.[1] Sevco Scotland Ltd later changed its name to The Rangers Football Club Ltd.[2] The Rangers International Football Club PLC was then formed as a holding company by The Rangers Football Club Ltd, with the latter becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of the former.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ownership_of_Rangers_F.C.

Trust Wiki!

 

[D6968]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ownership_of_Rangers_F.C.

Trust Wiki!

Thanking you!

 

[THC]

The original Rangers did not just enter administration but was liquidated, a process that began in 2012. A five-way agreement was entered into to shoehorn a new entity into the SPFL in its place. The new club started life as Sevco Scotland and played its first game against Brechin before the old club left the SPFL. So there is no legal continuation between Rangers founded in 1872/3 and the entity that assumes that name now.

THC

 

[DarloRich]

The original Rangers did not just enter administration but was liquidated, a process that began in 2012. A five-way agreement was entered into to shoehorn a new entity into the SPFL in its place. The new club started life as Sevco Scotland and played its first game against Brechin before the old club left the SPFL. So there is no legal continuation between Rangers founded in 1872/3 and the entity that assumes that name now.

THC

It is still the same club. Using any other name is, well, silly.

 

[THC]

It is still the same club. Using any other name is, well, silly.

How can it be when the two entities existed at the same time?

What was the situation at Darlo, btw? Did you start a new operation before the original was finally extinguished?

THC

 

[61653 HTAFC]

How can it be when the two entities existed at the same time?

What was the situation at Darlo, btw? Did you start a new operation before the original was finally extinguished?

THC

Milton Keynes Dons existed concurrently with AFC Wimbledon, and still do. That doesn't mean that the original Wimbledon's honours are in any way disputed. That FA Cup from the 1980s belongs to the football club based in the borough of Merton who are the spiritual (for want of a better word) successor to the original club. The fact that that business entity continues in Milton Keynes is only of note to the most pedantic of people.

It happens in other sports too. Huddersfield Giants RLFC are still technically Huddersfield & Sheffield Giants (as an organisation) following their merger several years ago. The Sheffield bit (and playing half the home games at Don Valley) was dropped after about a year but the business retains that name. A phoenix club was later established in Sheffield.

 

[AlterEgo]

That doesn't mean that the original Wimbledon's honours are in any way disputed. That FA Cup from the 1980s belongs to the football club based in the borough of Merton who are the spiritual (for want of a better word) successor to the original club.

Incorrect - the honours belong to the London Borough of Merton. They belong to no football club.

The pedantically correct owners of the honours were MK Dons, who agreed to relinquish them as part of a compromise with the FSF to end that organisation's boycott of MK Dons. It was an uncontroversial move, both then and now, and it seems entirely fair that the honours went back to Merton without being unfairly transferred to a phoenix club. MK Dons has, regardless of its technical lineage, always really been a new club with a new identity.

Neither AFC Wimbledon nor MK Dons have won the FA Cup, and when the two teams met in said competition, neither side's support was under any apprehension that they were former FA Cup champions even though AFC claim the "spirit" of the old Wimbledon.

Just one of life's examples where believing in something you know to be untrue is much easier and happier all round. We all know old Wimbledon isn't actually dead - it's actually MK Dons. But it is much easier to say "no, not really, I mean look, it's not the same at all". And AFC fans know their club is entirely new - they worked their way up from zero in the non leagues, and fair play to them - but prefer to say "well, we are spiritually like the old Wimbledon". And that's fine. All the MK/AFC nonsense is so tiresome; ultimately, whatever the injustices and unfairness of the processes that created the clubs, there are now two Football League clubs with distinct identities firmly planted in their communities doing good things.

 

[WelshBluebird]

We all know old Wimbledon isn't actually dead - it's actually MK Dons.

I'm sure there a lots of people who absolutely disagree with that statement, and they aren't all AFC Wimbledon fans either.
The same is true for Rangers too - the current Rangers is the same club as before 2012. Not in the legal or technical sense but in terms of fans and the spirit of the club.
You can argue the legal or technical side of it all you want but that matters to basically nobody. And yes, something like the spirit of a club isn't tangible and is quite wooly, but it absolutely exists to the fans.

 

[AlterEgo]

I'm sure there a lots of people who absolutely disagree with that statement, and they aren't all AFC Wimbledon fans either.

You can argue the legal or technical side of it all you want but that matters to basically nobody. And yes, something like the spirit of a club isn't tangible and is quite wooly, but it absolutely exists to the fans.

Quite an incredible misreading of my post, you only had to read one sentence further than the one you quoted to see your reply is completely redundant and I agree with you.

 

[THC]

I'm sure there a lots of people who absolutely disagree with that statement, and they aren't all AFC Wimbledon fans either.
The same is true for Rangers too - the current Rangers is the same club as before 2012. Not in the legal or technical sense but in terms of fans and the spirit of the club.
You can argue the legal or technical side of it all you want but that matters to basically nobody. And yes, something like the spirit of a club isn't tangible and is quite wooly, but it absolutely exists to the fans.

My Rangers-supporting friend has done a u-turn in the last ten years, from being done with it all back in 2012 to once again follow following a team in blue playing out of Ibrox and calling itself Rangers and denying anything untoward ever took place. In his mind at least your point is correct. The fact that "the legal and technical side of it all matters to nobody" - "it" in the case of Rangers being financial mismanagement and sharp practice verging on corporate fraud - perhaps explains why the highest tiers of authority right now seem able to do something similar with impunity. But I digress.

THC

 

[telstarbox]

An impressive display in the Women's Euros last night where England thrashed Norway 8-0!

 

[AlterEgo]

An impressive display in the Women's Euros last night where England thrashed Norway 8-0!

Wasn’t an impressive display by Norway, who were appalling.

 

[Cheshire Scot]

Meanwhile in the men's world, some interesting results in the UEFA Conference League Qualifiers

• St Joseph's (Gibraltar) - 1 - 0 on aggregate v Larne. Less surprisingly the other two Gib. teams both lost, Europa beaten 3-1 by Vikingur from the Faroes, and Magpies beaten 3-1 by Crusaders
• Tre Fiori (San Marino) - 4 - 1 on aggregate v Fola (Luxembourg)

Whilst teams from Gib. have had occasional successes from time to time, a winning team from San Marino is more of a collectors item. Tre Fiori's last victory in UEFA competition was v Bala Town in 2018/19

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Highland League

Banks O'Dee 1 ... Nairn County 1

First match in this league for Banks O'Dee who have replaced Fort William.

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Back in England, it must be a worry for Burnley to see the departure of a number of their better players since they were relegated from the top echelon.

 

[Cheshire Scot]

Highland League

Banks O'Dee 1 ... Nairn County 1

First match in this league for Banks O'Dee who have replaced Fort William.

There must be a fair chance come the end of the season Banks o'Dee will accumulate more points than FW have in recent seasons - and not just individual seasons but several seasons combined!

 

[yorkie]

England have beat Sweden 4-0 in the UEFA womens Euro 2022 semi-final

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62286243

England reached their first major women's tournament final since 2009 in stunning fashion as they put four past Olympic finalists Sweden at Euro 2022 in Sheffield.

The Lionesses, who extended their unbeaten run to 19 games under manager Sarina Wiegman, will play either Germany or France for the ultimate prize at Wembley on 31 July.
It was a thrilling match from start to finish at Bramall Lane as Sweden piled on the pressure in the opening 25 minutes, only for England to dismantle them with ruthless finishing and a touch of class.

Substitute Alessia Russo once again produced a moment of magic when her instinctive backheel made it 3-0 to England only 11 minutes after her introduction.

Highlights are well worth watching if anyone didn't see the game:

Highlights: England into Euro 2022 final after thrashing Sweden

Watch highlights as England reach the final of Euro 2022 by thrashing Sweden 4-0 at Bramall Lane.

www.bbc.co.uk

England deservedly qualify for the final on Sunday, to be played against Germany or France.

 

[Drogba11CFC]

To paraphrase Bjørge Lillienen...

Midsommar Cult, Pippi Longstocking, Swedish Chef, Greta Thunberg, Zlatan, Henrik Larsson, ABBA, Volvo, Saab, Scania, IKEA, your girls took one hell of a beating!

 

[JamesT]

To paraphrase Bjørge Lillienen...

Midsommar Cult, Pippi Longstocking, Swedish Chef, Greta Thunberg, Zlatan, Henrik Larsson, ABBA, Volvo, Saab, Scania, IKEA, your girls took one hell of a beating!

Though it could have been very different if the Swedes took their chances at the start. Until the first goal they were by far the better team and England could have been several goals down.

I don’t think Wiegman will change the team for the final as it’s worked well up till now. But they do need to get going a bit quicker. If it’s the Germans in the final, they haven’t conceded yet in the tournament so going a goal down to them might put us in a much trickier position than we were against Spain.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It is noticeable that the skill level of the players and the team tactics are much greater in the sides who reached the semi-final stage of this competition.

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Has fate decreed a England v Germany final?

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Posting made just before mid-night on Friday, 29th July

Despite some of the key players being signed by other clubs after relegation to the Championship at the end of last season, Burnley faced an away fixture over the Pennines in the Friday night match and came away with a 1-0 victory.

 

[Jamesrob637]

A tense women's final so far but into extra time we go.