GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[PHILIPE]

A 166 is running the training train, saw it on Dawlish cams as 5Z46 Paignton to Exeter. goes back to Paignton as 5Z47 then to Crediton 5Z48.

I might pop down to make sure it was a 166 and not a rare 3 car 165. It was in first Great western colours.

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It shouldn't have been a 3 Car 165 as they are all up at Reading. I could be wrong though !!!

 

[Grid56005]

166211 is on today’s training runs

 

[JN114]

It will not be a 3 car 165, all 16 are still at Reading and will be until the 769s have been introduced into service.

 

[FGW_DID]

Plus all the 3 car 165s are in gWr green. There are still a number of 166s in FGW blue livery.

 

[REVUpminster]

It was 166211. It went to Crediton and returned to Exeter depot as 5Z49

166209 Tuesday

 

[ValleyLines142]

I’m booked onto the 14:55 Weymouth to Gloucester on Thursday 24/06. Would this be operated by a Turbo or is booked a 158/9 please?

This is usually a Turbo. I catch it from Bristol Parkway regularly.

 

[_toommm_]

This is usually a Turbo. I catch it from Bristol Parkway regularly.

What are the Turbos like these days, is it still 3+2 seating and no tables? Presumably First Class is actually First Class (I.e. not declassified) on that route too?

 

[ValleyLines142]

What are the Turbos like these days, is it still 3+2 seating and no tables? Presumably First Class is actually First Class (I.e. not declassified) on that route too?

No, First Class is declassified on all 166s around Bristol however at present with COVID the declassified First Class section is locked out of use and only for staff travelling (absolutely ridiculous - don't even get me started on it!). There is a small section in the centre carriage that has 2+2 seating and two bays of tables but that's about it.

 

[_toommm_]

No, First Class is declassified on all 166s around Bristol however at present with COVID the declassified First Class section is locked out of use and only for staff travelling (absolutely ridiculous - don't even get me started on it!). There is a small section in the centre carriage that has 2+2 seating and two bays of tables but that's about it.

Thanks so much for your replies! I’ve never been down that way so wasn’t sure what the craic was.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Thanks so much for your replies! I’ve never been down that way so wasn’t sure what the craic was.

No problem! It is a shame, as for long distance journeys such as Gloucester to Weymouth and Cardiff to Portsmouth I don't think the 3+2 seating is appropriate at all. Hopefully GWR will see sense and re-open the declassified first section soon, or at the very least open one end and leave the other closed. Having 32 seats lost for the sake of 1 member of staff during a pandemic is abhorrent to my principles, especially the most comfortable seating. It just means that it filters passengers altogether and doesn't look very professional either.

The only exception to this was 166217 last week, but that may have changed since.

 

[REVUpminster]

This is 166218 down at Paignton a few months ago. They like to use 166s for the school run when it discharges 200 boys and girls at Torre going to the two grammar schools.

 

[D6975]

It was announced quite recently that the previously cancelled 2+2 re-seating of the 166s is now to go ahead, so 2+2 seating when they eventually get around to it.
(ps - it was buried somewhere in the GBR announcement)

 

[REVUpminster]

It was announced quite recently that the previously cancelled 2+2 re-seating of the 166s is now to go ahead, so 2+2 seating when they eventually get around to it.
(ps - it was buried somewhere in the GBR announcement)

That would be retrograde step as far as seating between a 166 and 2x150 that they will eventually replace. Theses trains are busy down here.

I can see it with the 165s if they turn the 2 cars to three or 3 cars to 5 with the converted 365/366 centre cars if that's still in the pipeline?

 

[JN114]

The 3 car 165s will eventually replace the 2x2 car 150s - they are not being done so no loss of seating capacity advantage.

The 166s are, which cover some Exeter area work, but are predominantly for the longer distance west routes. That is what the changed interior is being done for.

 

[Nunners]

The 3 car 165s will eventually replace the 2x2 car 150s - they are not being done so no loss of seating capacity advantage.

The 166s are, which cover some Exeter area work, but are predominantly for the longer distance west routes. That is what the changed interior is being done for.

Are they replacing all the seats with a better interior (eg. GWR 158) or are they just lopping off a seat on the 3 side to make it 2+2?

 

[dmu fan]

Are they replacing all the seats with a better interior (eg. GWR 158) or are they just lopping off a seat on the 3 side to make it 2+2?

That's a good question!

 

[JN114]

No idea, but I’ll wager that whatever they do someone will complain about it, because that’s how seatchat goes.

But none of it is diagram related.

 

[Clarence Yard]

Are they replacing all the seats with a better interior (eg. GWR 158) or are they just lopping off a seat on the 3 side to make it 2+2?

Last I heard was that the DfT didn’t want any reduction in seating capacity and so the existing seats were staying put.

 

[nanstallon]

No problem! It is a shame, as for long distance journeys such as Gloucester to Weymouth and Cardiff to Portsmouth I don't think the 3+2 seating is appropriate at all. Hopefully GWR will see sense and re-open the declassified first section soon, or at the very least open one end and leave the other closed. Having 32 seats lost for the sake of 1 member of staff during a pandemic is abhorrent to my principles, especially the most comfortable seating. It just means that it filters passengers altogether and doesn't look very professional either.

The only exception to this was 166217 last week, but that may have changed since.

Who do you think the railways are run for?

 

[D6975]

Last I heard was that the DfT didn’t want any reduction in seating capacity and so the existing seats were staying put.

Yes, the original reseating plan was cancelled because of this, but as I said earlier this has now been reversed and 2+2 will be fitted to make the units more suitable for longer routes like Cardiff - Pompey. Although this does reduce the number of seats, it doesn't make much difference to the number of people seated as the middle seat of a 3 quite often goes unoccupied.

 

[RPI]

Yes, the original reseating plan was cancelled because of this, but as I said earlier this has now been reversed and 2+2 will be fitted to make the units more suitable for longer routes like Cardiff - Pompey. Although this does reduce the number of seats, it doesn't make much difference to the number of people seated as the middle seat of a 3 quite often goes unoccupied.

A very good point and true in most cases, but generally (pre covid) the turbo 3+2 seats quite often would be fully occupied, the seats seem wider than other units with 3+2 seating. That said, the routes that the 166's are used on do warrant more comfortable seating.

 

[387star]

A very good point and true in most cases, but generally (pre covid) the turbo 3+2 seats quite often would be fully occupied, the seats seem wider than other units with 3+2 seating. That said, the routes that the 166's are used on do warrant more comfortable seating.

Work was to start this month but it's been delayed due to the 800 issues

 

[REVUpminster]

First trip to Exeter in 18 months. 166209 working 2F13 0950 Paignton. 166202 arrived in platform 1 to form 2F14 1020 after a shunt.
Returned on 166211 working 2T20 1353 at Exeter Central. The upholstery in this unit was a bit ragged.

Three turbos working Exmouth-Paignton.

 

[Kite159]

Is the Sunday turn to Brighton (11:16 Bristol - Brighton & 17:46 Brighton - Bristol) a Turbo these days or has that gone back to 158 operated?

 

[387star]

Is the Sunday turn to Brighton (11:16 Bristol - Brighton & 17:46 Brighton - Bristol) a Turbo these days or has that gone back to 158 operated?

Booked 166

 

[Kite159]

Booked 166

Thanks

Might give it a spin in a couple weeks time for the slight novelty of a 166 from Brighton

 

[clagmonster]

The 3 car 165s will eventually replace the 2x2 car 150s - they are not being done so no loss of seating capacity advantage.

The 166s are, which cover some Exeter area work, but are predominantly for the longer distance west routes. That is what the changed interior is being done for.

What will then happen with the 150s? Presumably some will be retained for the Cornish branches and enable the Okehapton to start, but surely that won't account for them all.

 

[REVUpminster]

These are the two weekday diagrams for the 166s on the Exmouth to Paignton route currently:

2F04 06:08 Exeter St Davids to Exmouth
2T07 06:55 Exmouth to Paignton
2F11 08:53 Paignton to Exmouth
2T14 10:23 Exmouth to Paignton
2F18 12:20 Paignton to Exmouth
2T21 13:57 Exmouth to Paignton
2F26 16:12 Paignton to Exmouth
2T29 17:54 Exmouth to Paignton
2E34 19:50 Paignton to Exeter St Davids
2M72 21:16 Exeter St Davids to Bristol Temple Meads [FX]

2F05 05:25 Bristol Temple Meads to Exmouth
2T08 07:24 Exmouth to Paignton
2F12 09:17 Paignton to Exmouth
2T15 10:57 Exmouth to Paignton
2F19 12:55 Paignton to Exmouth
2T22 14:23 Exmouth to Paignton
2F25 15:52 Paignton to Exmouth
2T28 17:24 Exmouth to Paignton
2E32 19:20 Paignton to Exeter St Davids
2F32 20:40 Exeter St Davids to Exmouth
2T36 21:24 Exmouth to Paignton
2E40 23:20 Paignton to Exeter St Davids

Today a 166 was also operating 2F10 as well as 2F11, and 2F12 above.

There were three 166s working Saturday 26 June

The training train to Crediton seems to have disappeared. That was a 166.

The 165 seems to have gone.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Who do you think the railways are run for?

Unsure of your comment to be honest.

 

[class387]

Am unfamiliar with the area so might have missed something, but are all the Portsmouth to Cardiff services Turbos on a Saturday or are 158s still used?