GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

[Unstoppable]

Personally I find the term inappropriate. Is it actually GWR's intention to significantly accelerate the trains concerned? Presumably they could derate the engines to save on fuel consumption.

Someone needs to crack a smile

 

[Dave91131]

There's two additional vehicles been added to the programme by the looks of it. 48136/137 are additional. It would be interesting to know when that was approved.

48136 ex 42570
48137 ex 42582
48149 ex 42087
48150 ex 42580
49117 ex 44042

Interesting to note the quoted vehicles;

I've got 42570 and 42582 as currently at Long Marston, having been moved there on 12th and 10th Feb 2020 respectively by 57312. Does anybody know if these have moved to Doncaster, and if so, when?

I've also got 42173-42195-42217-42310-42353 (along with 44042 which is accounted for) as having moved to Doncaster on 24-07-2020 by 43171 & 43172, but no info as to their fate since. Have these been used for spares and / or rejected in favour of other vehicles?

 

[TJDevon]

Does anyone know what the seating capacity is for these sets. I believe it may vary in line with carriage ownership. Thanks in advance to anyone able to provide this data.

 

[Annetts key]

Does anyone know what the seating capacity is for these sets. I believe it may vary in line with carriage ownership. Thanks in advance to anyone able to provide this data.

The document at this link should help…

 

[3973EXL]

STP 10/06

Realtime Trains - 571E 1010 Doncaster Works Wabtec to Laira T.& R.S.M.D.

STP 11/06

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1031 Laira T.& R.S.M.D. to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops

 

[43 302]

STP 10/06

Realtime Trains - 571E 1010 Doncaster Works Wabtec to Laira T.& R.S.M.D.

STP 11/06

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1031 Laira T.& R.S.M.D. to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops

GW05 coming back, GW08 going up.

 

[warwickshire]

GW05 coming back, GW08 going up.

5z74 1010 Doncaster wagon works to laira tmd
Was powered by 43186 and 43195 power cars set gw05

 

[43 302]

5z74 1010 Doncaster wagon works to laira tmd
Was powered by 43186 and 43195 power cars set gw05

Definitely not 43195! 43155.

The second move with GW08 was 43027 + 43155.

 

[superalbs]

Seeing that a set went on the Exmouth line overnight.

 

[47827]

Seeing that a set went on the Exmouth line overnight.

If that was a hst it stopped at stations on the branch so had the look of a gauging/timing trial. It would perhaps be to review whether they could be used down the route they could be included on any of the diagrams. Thinking ahead to July and August if a spare set could be found it would release a unit to try and reduce short formed services to Torquay and Paignton when the resorts are very busy again over the summer yet social distancing, where possible, may yet still be advised by the government looking at the most recent comments.

 

[geoffk]

If that was a hst it stopped at stations on the branch so had the look of a gauging/timing trial. It would perhaps be to review whether they could be used down the route they could be included on any of the diagrams. Thinking ahead to July and August if a spare set could be found it would release a unit to try and reduce short formed services to Torquay and Paignton when the resorts are very busy again over the summer yet social distancing, where possible, may yet still be advised by the government looking at the most recent comments.

I live by the Exmouth line and didn't hear the HST set go down although some of my neighbours heard it. Would both power cars have to be platformed?

 

[47827]

I live by the Exmouth line and didn't hear the HST set go down although some of my neighbours heard it. Would both power cars have to be platformed?

I wouldn't know. I'm only looking at the way the schedules were formed and all the stops. If anyone is close to Great Western operations on here they know the answer and indeed be able to confirm or deny the purpose of the moves.

 

[superalbs]

It was 43172 and 43029 with GW02.

 

[PHILIPE]

I wouldn't know. I'm only looking at the way the schedules were formed and all the stops. If anyone is close to Great Western operations on here they know the answer and indeed be able to confirm or deny the purpose of the moves.

It was definitely a gauging test, a full length HST having traversed the line in the past. I don't know if there are any plans for regular use in the future or not.

 

[Ashley Hill]

To remove any doubt :-

 

[Annetts key]

I live by the Exmouth line and didn't hear the HST set go down although some of my neighbours heard it. Would both power cars have to be platformed?

No, the power cars don’t have to be platformed. At some of the local stations near Bristol, not even four coaches are completely platformed, hence the guard enables only the doors on the front two coaches to be opened.

 

[Defiance149]

I've got 42570 and 42582 as currently at Long Marston, having been moved there on 12th and 10th Feb 2020 respectively by 57312. Does anybody know if these have moved to Doncaster, and if so, when?

I've also got 42173-42195-42217-42310-42353 (along with 44042 which is accounted for) as having moved to Doncaster on 24-07-2020 by 43171 & 43172, but no info as to their fate since. Have these been used for spares and / or rejected in favour of other vehicles?

42570 and 42582 moved by road to Wabtec in mid February. The TS are donors, bought by GWR and have given up their UATs to these extra Castle sets as the original supplier went bust.

 

[Brissle Girl]

UAT?

 

[Defiance149]

Universal Accessible Toilet

 

[Brissle Girl]

Thanks.

 

[57Tonic]

I'm Confused; if 42570 & 42582 are UAT donors how are the to become 48136 & 7

 

[Clarence Yard]

Because they are not the donors - the other TS are.

 

[St. Paddy]

48122 and 49108 from GW08 returned from Doncaster to Laira earlier today between 43027 & 43155

 

[43 302]

48122 and 49108 from GW08 returned from Doncaster to Laira earlier today between 43027 & 43155

Not enough space on LA for the whole set due to a number of various occurances.

 

[Liam L]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:39521/2021-07-05/detailed Any ideas on which set is going to Doncaster tomorrow? Thanks

 

[43 302]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:39521/2021-07-05/detailed Any ideas on which set is going to Doncaster tomorrow? Thanks

GW01 43004 + 43154.

 

[typetwos]

GW01 43004 + 43154, or at least that's what it was a few days ago.

Hi Folks,
any idea what the coaches & the power cars were on this please 5E23 08:00 LAIRA TMD to DONWKSWAB 05/07/21

 

[43 302]

Hi Folks,
any idea what the coaches & the power cars were on this please 5E23 08:00 LAIRA TMD to DONWKSWAB 05/07/21

What I posted was correct.

 

[D6975]

14 sets in total, plus various spare vehicles. I think there’s three vehicles still to come, but no full set. I wouldn’t be surprised if an extra set was formed from the spares, particularly whilst the 80x fiasco is ongoing.

???
I've got 16 sets plus one spare TGS
Is this list correct?
(ignoring vehicle order within a set)

GW01	49101​	48101​	48102​	48103​
GW02	49102​	48104​	48105​	48106​
GW03	49103​	48107​	48108​	48109​
GW04	49104​	48110​	48111​	48112​
GW05	49105​	48113​	48114​	48115​
GW06	49106​	48116​	48117​	48118​
GW07	49107​	48119​	48120​	48121​
GW08	49108​	48122​	48123​	48124​
GW09	49109​	48125​	48126​	48127​
GW10	49110​	48128​	48129​	48130​
GW11	49111​	48131​	48132​	48133​
GW12	49112​	48134​	48136​	48137​
GW13	49113​	48135​	48149​	48150​
GW14	49114​	48140​	48141​	48142​
GW15	49115​	48143​	48144​	48145​
GW16	49116​	48146​	48147​	48148​
	49117​

 

[43 302]

???
I've got 16 sets plus one spare TGS

Currently 14 sets with GW12-13 being OOU. When the final coaches have been delivered the formations will be as I posted up thread with a few spare vehicles.

Edit: Check post #1953, and no that list is not correct. Close though.