I remember the three seconds when heard of them, thinking they would promote a robust, evidence based approach. Instead we had this delusional lot.."Independent Sage". Say no more.
I remember the three seconds when heard of them, thinking they would promote a robust, evidence based approach. Instead we had this delusional lot..
I'm not an enthusiast for Boris or his cabinet, but I'm very glad that so far they've held their nerve on this one. Had "Plan B" or similar been implemented just before the numbers peaked, I'm sure it would have been credited with causing the drop, and probably a more extreme "Plan C" advocated to "cut the rate further". Now that the numbers seem (fingers crossed) to be dropping reasonably consistently without Plan B, that narrative is harder to promote, and the media campaign seems to be easing off a little.In reality, cases have been falling since around 20th October. But I am not sure if many journalists know how to find out this information; it involves going to this website: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases and taking a look at the cases or case rates by specimen date. That may be too difficult for some journalists to do, as it requires a little bit of initiative and intelligence, which appears to be lacking in this sector.
Oh, and it's also worth mentioning that some people (who do recognise cases are reducing, but lack the ability to look deeper into when cases started to fall) are claiming the half-term break is behind the reduction in cases. This is false, because the half-term break for the vast majority of schools is this week (week commencing 25th October) yet cases plateaued a week before that and started reducing before the end of the first half of the school term.
So if you hear anyone claiming cases are only going down due to the half term holiday, you can tell them that's false.
The other issue, if Plan B is implemented, will then there be demands for tougher measures. Prof Stephen Reicher has already suggested a ‘Plan C’ is required.
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Ministers ‘considering Covid Plan C with household mixing banned’
Ministers are considering a Covid “Plan C” that would see household mixing banned alongside the reintroduction of advice to work from home and vaccine passports, according to reports.www.standard.co.uk
Ministers are considering a Covid “Plan C” that would see household mixing banned alongside the reintroduction of advice to work from home and vaccine passports, according to reports.
Health Secretary Sajid Javid on Wednesday warned cases could reach 100,000 a day this winter and urged Britons to come forward for their booster jab to prevent the return of restrictions.
Given this governments track record of denying things then doing them I can't believe a word they say any more.Is worth remembering that "Plan C" report was nearly two weeks ago and was flatly denied by Government.
It still seems highly likely we will end up with at least "Plan B" but I would expect them to hold off on the announcement until after the end of COP26 - I would expect this plan to also go slightly further than the original "Plan B" given the modelling that shows just how useless it would actually be.
I agree it is here to stay and we need to learn to live with it now which does not mean shutting things down every few months nor wearing masks and antisocial distancing for the rest of timePlan B, C, D etc this virus is never going away, this Covid rubbish has been milked enough, it’s about time people realise it, more than enough people have been vaccinated now, so can we have full on normality back without the papers please society the authoritarians are begging for.
Yes to introduce new measures while recorded cases are going down will look ridiculous, especially if this trend continues this week while COP26 is dominating the headlines. Once that's passed and covid may take the headlines again, if they've dropped a long way then all of us opposing new measures have good traction.Ministers may be considering what a "Plan C" would look like, but that doesn't mean that it is likely to be implemented in the near future.
Worth noting that the article in The Standard is dated 21st October, and it quotes 49,139 cases per day, with cases rising at a rate of 17% per week.
The latest figures are 38,009 cases per day (by date reported) and cases falling at a rate of 13.5% per week.
So there is less likelihood that Plan B will be implemented, let alone Plan C.
Can't help thinking that the reports of a potential Plan C were meant to scare the public into getting vaccinated.
Yes to introduce new measures while recorded cases are going down will look ridiculous, especially if this trend continues this week while COP26 is dominating the headlines. Once that's passed and covid may take the headlines again, if they've dropped a long way then all of us opposing new measures have good traction.
I agree it is here to stay and we need to learn to live with it now which does not mean shutting things down every few months nor wearing masks and antisocial distancing for the rest of time
I agree it is here to stay and we need to learn to live with it now which does not mean shutting things down every few months nor wearing masks and antisocial distancing for the rest of time
It also means not having this constant "thread" of restrictions or shutdowns - or, as some people see it, freeby time off work - hovering over us essentially all the time. It's gone on long enough now.
I agree. I can understand why people are scared given the appalling messaging over the last 18 months but we can't keep living in fear all the time.Exactly, people have to get used to germs again and stop living in fear, we’ve done everything humanly possible to deal with this virus and it hasn’t gotten rid of Covid, I, along with many others aren’t prepared to give up another year on this virus
People call those who want a return to normality selfish but I call the those who want more restrictions the real selfish ones as they just want others to give up their own lives for their fears.
The park will stay shut for the next few days despite all the weekend's visitors testing negative for coronavirus.
Monday 1 November 2021 17:45, UK
Image:All visitors were tested after one COVID case was reported in someone who visited on Saturday. Pic: AP
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Disneyland in Shanghai has closed after police and health workers in hazmat suits swarmed the park to test tens of thousands of visitors.
Chinese media said it may have been prompted by one person with COVID who visited the park from the nearby city of Hangzhou on Saturday.
Fireworks went off as health workers carried out the mass testing on Sunday night - and people had to wait for hours for a negative test before they could leave.
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Image:Tourists had to wait for a negative test before being allowed to leave
The park said all 33,863 people who visited over the weekend had tested negative.
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One visitor, who gave her name as Chen, said she was in the park when an announcement was made at about 5pm that everyone had to get tested.
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"No-one complained, and everyone behaved really well," she said.
Image:The park will stay shut for a few days in line with health rules
Disneyland said the park would stay closed on Monday and Tuesday to comply with health rules.
The shutdown shows the tough measures in place in China as it enforces a zero-tolerance approach in an attempt to stamp out any local outbreaks.
Last week, a Shanghai to Beijing train was stopped mid-journey because one passenger was a close contact of a COVID case.
Imageisneyland workers also had to get tested
Police, health workers and transport staff quarantined the travellers and the train was disinfected.
China is believed to be the place where COVID originated and it was the first country to enforce strict lockdowns.
Its reported death total is just 4,636 deaths and 97,243 cases since the pandemic began.
There are extremely tough entry and quarantine requirements for people travelling into the country and all direct flights from the UK remain suspended.
That's scary. I can't see many adhering to any restrictions this Christmas.
Disneyland Shanghai shut down as thousands 'locked in' for mass coronavirus testing after one positive case
The park will stay shut for the next few days despite all the weekend's visitors testing negative for coronavirus.news.sky.com
As the football saying goes: “Unbelievable, Jeff”.
MP's are being told to wear masks in Parliament due to a rise in cases. Strange how they think that the virus will magically stop transmitting through a little piece of blue plastic - whilst all the MP's are squashed up together on their benches.
MPs told to wear masks in Parliament amid rising Covid cases
Tours of Parliament have also been cancelled as health body warns of greater risk of transmission.www.bbc.co.uk
MP's are being told to wear masks in Parliament due to a rise in cases. Strange how they think that the virus will magically stop transmitting through a little piece of blue plastic - whilst all the MP's are squashed up together on their benches.
MPs told to wear masks in Parliament amid rising Covid cases
Tours of Parliament have also been cancelled as health body warns of greater risk of transmission.www.bbc.co.uk
It half happened very early on in January or February 2020 when an Azuma ( I think it was ) was taken out of service for a total deep clean after one passenger on it had tested positive. That passenger, if I remember right, had actually been sent home to isolate after testing and was on his or her way home to do so - and had been told it was OK to get the train home. This was at the time when we only had a dozen or two confirmed infections.I don't think there is the slightest chance of that happening in the UK thankfully, although that won't stop some "health experts" from advocating similar measures.
MP's are being told to wear masks in Parliament due to a rise in cases. Strange how they think that the virus will magically stop transmitting through a little piece of blue plastic - whilst all the MP's are squashed up together on their benches.
MPs told to wear masks in Parliament amid rising Covid cases
Tours of Parliament have also been cancelled as health body warns of greater risk of transmission.www.bbc.co.uk
It's all just virtue signalling and a very big case of "them not us". The government clearly think that the general public are far too stupid to make their own decisions.Yet suddenly within the last 18 months they now put them on?, bit late to the party!
Just a pity they are allowed to take them off briefly to speak then back on, where I work it has to be on all the time but still again one rule for them and us.
Isn’t it also strange on some tv programmes (inside) masks aren’t worn on presenters but be on audience etc
It's all just virtue signalling and a very big case of "them not us". The government clearly think that the general public are far too stupid to make their own decisions.
The "due to a rise in cases" in the headline is rather misleading. The article does say "following rising Covid cases on the parliamentary estate", but the headline could easily be misinterpreted as saying cases are rising nationally when they are actually falling.