Kings Cross ‘uncrossed’ Layout/Remodelling - Information and Updates

[Crun]

Film of work during March and April 2021:

 

[class26]

Film of work during March and April 2021:

Interesting to see the new approach and departure speed limits (seen at 20.32). Trains seem to be arriving and departing much quicker than the previous caution. ie 11.40, 18.17, 19.20 and 21.50

 

[Ploughman]

In nearly every clip you can spot workmen standing / sitting idle using phones or other devices.
Some may be official but I doubt all are.
In any PTS I thought all phones should be off unless required.

 

[Ianno87]

In nearly every clip you can spot workmen standing / sitting idle using phones or other devices.
Some may be official but I doubt all are.
In any PTS I thought all phones should be off unless required.

But are they "lineside" or within the worksite?

 

[a340egkk]

In nearly every clip you can spot workmen standing / sitting idle using phones or other devices.
Some may be official but I doubt all are.
In any PTS I thought all phones should be off unless required.

This isn’t the case, you can use your phone whenever in a position of safety.
And have to, given what phones are used for these days, and particularly in failure scenarios, the number of calls you get.

 

[whoosh]

Pretty sure if you started a 12-car platform at the present 9/10/11 buffers, the ramps would be touching the mouth of Gasworks Tunnel!

The current standage for 8-cars is very tight for signal sighting etc, especially for the gangwayed Class 387 units.

Yes, the old platform 10 (which is disappearing) had a caveat of a second driver to be provided for departure if an 8 car 387 as it was a right hand side signal that couldn't be seen from the drivers seat on those units due to the poor visibility with the gangway being in the way.

I would think it’s a bigger improvement to departure speeds, but now without parallel moves available as there’s only one route in or out from line F.

But I since see that post #191 reckons arrivals into P9/10 remain at 15 mph.

My apologies, I got that bit wrong in post 191. It's 20mph into 9 and 10 (same as the other platforms). But it is still 15mph out of platforms 9 and 10.
I have edited the post to correct this.


I believe the 15mph out of those platforms is due to signal sighting, not the platform signal, but the next one protecting Gas Works Tunnel very shortly afterwards.

 

[OxtedL]

A recent tweet about work on the west side:

https://twitter.com/ECMLupgrade/status/1392080379851513859

While our #EastCoastUpgrade teams have been rebuilding Platform 8 at King’s Cross, they’ve discovered these fantastic brick arches dating from when it was built in 1852.

They’re now restoring & re-using them - unfortunately, when work is complete they’ll be covered up again!

And a couple of photos from Jay_Tee71

https://twitter.com/Jay_Tee71/status/1392360602711040003

 

[BrianW]

Hopefully no bodies ...

A recent tweet about work on the west side:

https://twitter.com/ECMLupgrade/status/1392080379851513859

And a couple of photos from Jay_Tee71

https://twitter.com/Jay_Tee71/status/1392360602711040003

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[Mcq]

Very grateful for the pics - thank you.
One shows a loco coming into a tunnel - can anyone orient me please?

 

[Freightmaster]

Very grateful for the pics - thank you.
One shows a loco coming into a tunnel - can anyone orient me please?

That's the (currently closed) west bore of Gasworks tunnels looking towards Kings Cross.




MARK

 

[Mcq]

That's the (currently closed) west bore of Gasworks tunnels looking towards Kings Cross.




MARK

Ah yes - thank you

 

[greyman42]

That's the (currently closed) west bore of Gasworks tunnels looking towards Kings Cross.




MARK

Surely it is looking away from Kings Cross or am i looking at the wrong picture?

 

[Mcq]

Surely it is looking away from Kings Cross or am i looking at the wrong picture?

This is the excellent pic (thanks to Joanna@Jay_Tee71) I'm referring to - is the photographer facing KX of FP is the question - in the West Gasworks tunnel?
Hence which of the two tracks has been removed?

 

[greyman42]

Thanks. I was looking at a different photograph.

 

[swt_passenger]

This is the excellent pic I'm referring to - is the photographer facing KX of FP is the question - in the West Gasworks tunnel?
Hence which of the two tracks has been removed?

The flattened lower area of the tunnel roof matches the same area in the other tunnels and is under the canal, so yes, it must be looking towards the station.

 

[Mcq]

Thanks for speedy replies - so the missing track is the most extreme westerly one?

 

[swt_passenger]

Thanks for speedy replies - so the missing track is the most extreme westerly one?

I’d say yes, definitely.

I reckon the bottom right photo of the four in this Twitter post dated 8th May shows the view of the same tunnel with the down track in situ, if you compare the same detail on the roof:

https://twitter.com/ECMLupgrade/status/1391048010864410625/photo/4

 

[hwl]

The flattened lower area of the tunnel roof matches the same area in the other tunnels and is under the canal, so yes, it must be looking towards the station.

Agreed - That is the section of tunnel with lower roof under the Regents Canal. The old track C / new track E is the one still in situ and old D / new F is the lifted one.

 

[Mcq]

Many thanks both

 

[swt_passenger]

Just saw a photo on Twitter of the slightly widened end of the former P10/11 platform, and it has had tactile slabs installed on both sides. I would have thought the old P10 side should be fenced off and have no tactiles, because there‘s no longer any track? Are the new tactiles an error?

https://twitter.com/Jay_Tee71/status/1399731511000244225

 

[Mcq]

Can you post the picture please - thanks

 

[swt_passenger]

Can you post the picture please - thanks

Sorry, forgot to paste the link…

 

[Mcq]

Many thanks
See the signs for 10b and 11b still there on last pic

 

[takno]

Just saw a photo on Twitter of the slightly widened end of the former P10/11 platform, and it has had tactile slabs installed on both sides. I would have thought the old P10 side should be fenced off and have no tactiles, because there‘s no longer any track? Are the new tactiles an error?

https://twitter.com/Jay_Tee71/status/1399731511000244225

Is that even slightly widened? It looks like they've refurbished the platform as-is and just removed the track

 

[swt_passenger]

Is that even slightly widened? It looks like they've refurbished the platform as-is and just removed the track

It’s only slightly widened at the very end, but the height has been altered like many others as the track is lower in the whole throat area. The drawing I posted (in #227) shows exactly how small the area affected is.

 

[OxtedL]

If they aren't going to put a fence there then they presumably do need tactiles.

 

[swt_passenger]

If they aren't going to put a fence there then they presumably do need tactiles.

They’ve put fences up on a few other altered platforms, just at the ends, where there’s a cutout on one side for adjacent S&C. Seems inconsistent to me.

 

[BrianW]

They’ve put fences up on a few other altered platforms, just at the ends, where there’s a cutout on one side for adjacent S&C. Seems inconsistent to me.

I think it willl be found that ALL the platforms have unprotected faces, like when there's no train in the platform; and not just at KX!!
Roadkerbs, swimming pools, stairs, so many unfenced dangers 'out there' ... elfinsafety?
Of course if it were me falling, or getting the insurance claim ...?

 

[swt_passenger]

I think it willl be found that ALL the platforms have unprotected faces, like when there's no train in the platform; and not just at KX!!
Roadkerbs, swimming pools, stairs, so many unfenced dangers 'out there' ... elfinsafety?
Of course if it were me falling, or getting the insurance claim ...?

Well that’s a given isn’t it. But there are also plenty of existing precedents for fences on disused platform faces with no track - if nothing else it allows the full width of the platform to be used safely by people getting off a busy train, without a wasted space beyond the tactile strips that staff will no doubt advise people not to cross…

 

[XAM2175]

I think it willl be found that ALL the platforms have unprotected faces, like when there's no train in the platform; and not just at KX!!
Roadkerbs, swimming pools, stairs, so many unfenced dangers 'out there' ... elfinsafety?

I think you'll find that there is a distinction between a platform face that is unprotected because it needs to be used, and one that's unprotected without seeing any use.