LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment

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To my knowledge, the following is the current fleet status. Further info and / or corrections welcomed.

Including the vehicles scrapped after the Hatfield and Great Heck incidents, scrapped to date are the following:
10302-03-10-17-19-20-22-27-29
11213-19-24-41-44-73-77-80-81-83-90-91-92-93-94-99 .. 302-27-28-29-30 .. 402-05-10-19-20-21-22-23-24-25-27-28-29 .. 998
12206-16-18-27-32
12302-06-14-17-18-19-20-21-22-31
12400-01-02-03-12-13-25-38-41-45-48-49-50-55-56-57-58-60-62-64-66-70-71-73-76-88-516-19-22-25-38
82202-03-17-21-28
Thanks for this useful list.

Based on the fleet status given in message #1295, we don't appear to have scrap moves from Worksop for the 25 following coaches:
10303-19-20-29
11219-81-83..327-29-30..405-10
12216-27
12317-18-19-21-22-31
12445-45-71-88-522
Though message #1298 said
11410, 12445, 12321, 12331 & 12471 are also likely to be roaded to Sims sites in Hull this week.
but this was not subsequently confirmed.

Very probably these 25 vehicles have been dispatched for scrap, but can anyone confirm when and where they went?

Thanks in anticpation
 
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I've updated the list in post #1409 to include the vehicles which have made their final journey today.

If mods or someone with the relevant knowledge want to make that list a "fixture" at the start of this thread which can be updated as and when more vehicles are disposed of please do so.
 

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Just seen one pass through Didcot Parkway (well about an hour ago) towards Newport. The 82 looked in a really bad way already. Rusted up front end. The 57 was leading then the 82 and Mk4 coaches.
 

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That DVT looked a real rust bucket in its final few months of service.

Can't help but notice this is what's left of BN03, after BN02 went last week. Guessing this could mean the end is near for the other sets at Worksop?
 

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Thanks for this useful list.

Based on the fleet status given in message #1295, we don't appear to have scrap moves from Worksop for the 25 following coaches:
10303-19-20-29
11219-81-83..327-29-30..405-10
12216-27
12317-18-19-21-22-31
12445-45-71-88-522
Though message #1298 said

but this was not subsequently confirmed.

Very probably these 25 vehicles have been dispatched for scrap, but can anyone confirm when and where they went?

Thanks in anticpation
Have these been dispatched by road.
Also is today's move as booked and Last mondays move the 08th march 2021 . The first to go via rail.
Most likely weekly Monday moves will now become more reqular. Or so it might seem.
 

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Seen reported elsewhere that 91132 may have moved from Doncaster Works to Sims Newport by road today (18/03), can anyone here confirm this?

Edit: Now confirmed to have gone to Sims Nottingham.
 
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Seen reported elsewhere that 91132 may have moved from Doncaster Works to Sims Newport by road today (18/03), can anyone here confirm this?
Is 91131 still stored at Doncaster too? I hope it's not going to follow 91132 to any scrapyard.
 

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https://twitter.com/keletkezes/status/1372629755237965824?s=21 not sure if it’s sims or not but defo a scrapyard!
Sims in Nottingham, thanks for this link.

Is 91131 still stored at Doncaster too? I hope it's not going to follow 91132 to any scrapyard.
91131 is still stored in Doncaster, however it is stored in Belmont Yard rather than Doncaster Works which is where 91132 was.

If any more 91s follow 132 to the scrapyard my guess would be at 103, 104 or 108 going next, as they're the other stored 91s at Doncaster Works.
 

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Is 91131 still stored at Doncaster too? I hope it's not going to follow 91132 to any scrapyard.
91131 is designated by the Railway Designation Heritage Advisory Board (as is 91110). Although I can find nothing to confirm this, I have seen it suggested that 91131 has been earmarked to go to Crewe Heritage Centre. It would certainly be appropriate as it was the final locomotive to be built at Crewe Works.

As for 91132, it would appear to have finally run out of luck.
 

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As things currently stand, this is the status of the 91s:

Operational as part of the Midland Main Line overhead wire test train:
91122/128

Stored at Belmont Yard (Doncaster) off lease:
91102/112/113/115/116/118/121/125/126/129/131

Stored at Belmont Yard (Doncaster) awaiting return to service with LNER:
91106/114/119

Stored at Doncaster Works (parts donors):
91103/108

Stored at Doncaster Works (assumed parts donor):
91104

On overhaul at Doncaster Works for return to service with LNER:
91101/109/111

Stored in Leicester (for Europhoenix):
91117/120

Stored at Neville Hill, awaiting return to service with LNER:
91105/107/110/124/127/130

Scrapped at Sims Nottingham:
91132

If there are any errors on my list, please let me know :)
 

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That Twitter poster has Nottingham listed as their location - so the Sims site at Beeston?

Surprising that 91132 looks pretty much intact.
I would imagine the history associated with 91132 would add some weight to the decision to scrap it, 40126 was scrapped very quickly after withdrawal to deter souvenir hunters and avoid any attempts to preserve it.
 

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I would imagine the history associated with 91132 would add some weight to the decision to scrap it, 40126 was scrapped very quickly after withdrawal to deter souvenir hunters and avoid any attempts to preserve it.
I doubt it has much impact- the owners would be much more interested in which locos are in the worst condition, what exams are needed and if there's any prospect of future work.
 

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I doubt it has much impact- the owners would be much more interested in which locos are in the worst condition, what exams are needed and if there's any prospect of future work.

Indeed - what I was somewhat surprised about is that it doesn't appear to have been heavily stripped (as 91108 clearly has).
 

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Indeed - what I was somewhat surprised about is that it doesn't appear to have been heavily stripped (as 91108 clearly has).
As am I. For a relatively small fleet of locos, surely it would make sense to first strip down any that were being sent for scrap?
 

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Indeed - what I was somewhat surprised about is that it doesn't appear to have been heavily stripped (as 91108 clearly has).

It was meant to have been stripped before disposal however there were some communication errors and that didn’t take place.
 

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It was meant to have been stripped before disposal however there were some communication errors and that didn’t take place.
So in that case can it be assumed then that 132 should in fact have stayed at Wabtec and another loco (presumably either 103 or 108) gone to Sims instead? Not good if that is what's happened and they've lost all the parts from it that should have been stripped to keep the remaining operational fleet going.
 

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So in that case can it be assumed then that 132 should in fact have stayed at Wabtec and another loco (presumably either 103 or 108) gone to Sims instead? Not good if that is what's happened and they've lost all the parts from it that should have been stripped to keep the remaining operational fleet going.
Two things, though: 1. we don’t know what has been removed internally and 2. it’s not like there is a shortage of other off-lease locos to provide spares.
 

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Two things, though: 1. we don’t know what has been removed internally and 2. it’s not like there is a shortage of other off-lease locos to provide spares.
Indeed we don’t know what has been removed internally, although it can be seen very clearly from the photograph of it in the scrap yard that it hasn’t been anywhere near as heavily stripped as 91103 and 91108.

There isn’t a shortage of other off-lease locos that could be stripped for parts instead but that isn’t the point - the point is that if this was, as was suggested a few posts up was the case, the result of a communications error it should not have happened.
 

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91131 is still stored in Doncaster, however it is stored in Belmont Yard rather than Doncaster Works which is where 91132 was.

If any more 91s follow 132 to the scrapyard my guess would be at 103, 104 or 108 going next, as they're the other stored 91s at Doncaster Works.
Thanks for the reply.

91131 is designated by the Railway Designation Heritage Advisory Board (as is 91110). Although I can find nothing to confirm this, I have seen it suggested that 91131 has been earmarked to go to Crewe Heritage Centre. It would certainly be appropriate as it was the final locomotive to be built at Crewe Works.
I'd read that is was earmarked for Crewe Heritage Centre too, but like you have been unable to confirm that and the fact that it has been stored along with a number of other 91s worries me that it is being treated the same as they are and will end up being scrapped or converted to a lower speed freight loco for export.

What is that? Is it a sort of confirmation that they'll definitely be preserved? I'd be happy if so, because I like the locos
I think it's a bit like listed buildings - it offers a degree of protection but is not a guarantee. When a designated item is to be disposed of by it's owner they are supposed to offer it to preservation groups first I think - or something like that. In the case of 91131 I'm concerned that converting it to a lower-speed freight loco as Europhenix apparently intend to do with a number of 91s might not count as 'disposal' - that would rob it of one of the special characteristics that led to it being designated (last express passenger loco built for BR, I believe; if re-geared for freight it wouldn't be an express passenger loco anymore).

I'm glad 91110 and 91131 are designated and hope that this does indeed lead to them being preserved in the UK as express passenger locos (complete with the Battle Of Britain Memorial Flight livery in the case of 91110). I'd dearly love to see 91131 restored to something approaching its original appearance (Swallow livery without the odd black square disrupting it on one side of 91119 where an extra grill has been added) and kept operational.

Stored at Belmont Yard (Doncaster) off lease:
91102/112/113/115/116/118/121/125/126/129/131
Thanks for the list, can anyone remember how many 91s Europhenix were planning to export - and did Europhenix buy/lease all the locos they wanted at once?
 

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I think it's a bit like listed buildings - it offers a degree of protection but is not a guarantee. When a designated item is to be disposed of by it's owner they are supposed to offer it to preservation groups first I think - or something like that.

No, not really like that - the NRM normally gets first refusal and if they don't want it another home is looked for - the owner can't just decide to scrap it without bothering to look for a home, and export would probably not be looked on favourably when other examples are being scrapped.
 

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