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LNER Tyne Valley Diversions-2020

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Just looked at RTT and note allocations not shown for TV diversions. Is this an oversight or have they stopped it?
 
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The timing load is exactly that, what the train is pathed for. It has nothing to do with what’s allocated to the service

Just as an aside, I think many realise the difference between timing and allocation.
However, many LNw trains (e.g. today's 2Y06 0914 Birmingham New St- London Euston) are timed for 'class 506, 110 mph'.
I can understand why, if there are no timings for the stock actually used, a type where timings are known is used.
But does this mean, in the original question, that a timing for a 4-BEP is available over a line which isn't electrified 3rd rail, whereas Azuma timings aren't?
And, in the case of the New St Euston train, how is it timed using the timings for an electric train class that can neither collect power on the route in question nor achieve the speed quoted (weren't class 506 the Euston-Watford sets???)
Why are they so bizarre?
 

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Thanks for clarifying - I always thought that the 'pathed for' indicated what stock the train was expected to use. So, it's good to know this is simply timing, not allocation. Wonder why the 4-BEP times were used though! As not been in service for a long time.
 

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Just looked at RTT and note allocations not shown for TV diversions. Is this an oversight or have they stopped it?

Is it that the allocations aren't displayed, or just the "Know Your Train" section with the train diagram? Looking in the link that Class 800 posted (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C44453/2020-09-19/detailed) the allocations are still in detailed view ("Operated with 801111+800207 to Newcastle, 800207+801111 to Edinburgh") but the KYT diagram is absent presumably because of the reversal in Newcastle.
 

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Just as an aside, I think many realise the difference between timing and allocation.
However, many LNw trains (e.g. today's 2Y06 0914 Birmingham New St- London Euston) are timed for 'class 506, 110 mph'.
I can understand why, if there are no timings for the stock actually used, a type where timings are known is used.
But does this mean, in the original question, that a timing for a 4-BEP is available over a line which isn't electrified 3rd rail, whereas Azuma timings aren't?
And, in the case of the New St Euston train, how is it timed using the timings for an electric train class that can neither collect power on the route in question nor achieve the speed quoted (weren't class 506 the Euston-Watford sets???)
Why are they so bizarre?

In Real Time Trains these were shown as; Class 350 (Project 110) before its revamp. A train cannot have two different Sectional Running Times (SRTs) for the same traction type for any given section. Therefore instead in the timing load if the train is timed at a maximum speed of 100 mph its shown as 350, yet if it operates at 110 mph maximum speed its shown as 506 due to faster SRTs.

Note this schedule with 100mph max speed

and this one at 110mph

To my knowledge there are no SRTs for the retired Class 506s (4-BEP).
 

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Thanks for clarifying - I always thought that the 'pathed for' indicated what stock the train was expected to use. So, it's good to know this is simply timing, not allocation. Wonder why the 4-BEP times were used though! As not been in service for a long time.
The Mk4 sets were shown as Electric Loco 410tons, so I wonder if this is a nod in their direction, rather than a SR exile at work?
 

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In Real Time Trains these were shown as; Class 350 (Project 110) before its revamp. A train cannot have two different Sectional Running Times (SRTs) for the same traction type for any given section. Therefore instead in the timing load if the train is timed at a maximum speed of 100 mph its shown as 350, yet if it operates at 110 mph maximum speed its shown as 506 due to faster SRTs.

Note this schedule with 100mph max speed

and this one at 110mph

To my knowledge there are no SRTs for the retired Class 506s (4-BEP).


This is what I mean; using Open Train Times


Is the schedule for the previously mentioned today's 09.14 Birmingham New Street - London Euston.

Pull down 'Technical Details' and it shows 'Timing load - Class 506 110 mph'
 

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751FE47F-6B99-47AA-BA71-9D4D83CEBB40.jpegSaw this 2x5 car unit gingerly creep towards Hexham around 3 o'clock 17/10/20 whilst out on the bike.
 

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Today, what would have been 10 car sets are only showing as 5-car (802s).
However 1S01 comprises 800206/801112.

Today, what would have been 10 car sets are only showing as 5-car (802s).
However 1S01 comprises 800206/801112.
1E09 only 800203
1F02 801106/800208
1S04 reported as 800201/801110
 
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Today, what would have been 10 car sets are only showing as 5-car (802s).
However 1S01 comprises 800206/801112.


1E09 only 800203
1F02 801106/800208
1S04 reported as 800201/801110
1E09 was a late alteration, booked 2 x 5 car, but a fault with fire system meant only 1 set availbe, this had a set swap at Newcastle into a 9 car set.
 

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1E09 was a late alteration, booked 2 x 5 car, but a fault with fire system meant only 1 set availbe, this had a set swap at Newcastle into a 9 car set.
800202 has finally made it into traffic, surprisingly with 800208 rather than 8011xx, on 1S04 KX-Edin, then 1E21 Edinburgh-KX.
The only ones not seen on the Tyne Valley diversions this year are 800109 and 801105
 

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800202 has finally made it into traffic, surprisingly with 800208 rather than 8011xx, on 1S04 KX-Edin, then 1E21 Edinburgh-KX.
The only ones not seen on the Tyne Valley diversions this year are 800109 and 801105

801105 currently at Newton Aycliffe, along with 4 carriages of 800109
 

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Saw an IET Azuma pass over me at about 0930 this morning at Gilsland while driving under the low bridge, heading round the Curve to Greehead, then through Haltwhistle. Forgot they were this weekend.
 
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