Never saw a 37 in Glasgow Central during this period. The 37's allocated to Scr were i believe where possible used for Grangemouth Oil trains. 37 haulage in Scotland at this time was rarer than Hens teeth. Even for us Scottish spotters of the time they were elusive beasts at timesDuring this period, how common were Class 37s on services?
ThanksNever saw a 37 in Glasgow Central during this period. The 37's allocated to Scr were i believe were where possible used for Grangemouth Oil trains. 37 haulage in Scotland at this time was rarer than Hens teeth. Even for us Scottish spotters of the time they were elusive beasts at times
Later 40's and 45's banned after a derailment
Their inability to cope with the complex pointworkI was aware of that ban, but does anyone know the specific details of the derailment that caused that ban?
Their inability to cope with the complex pointwork
Sorry if I’ve disappointed you, maybe look on the internet yourselfThats not quite what I was after - I was after things like the date, service and loco involved.
Sorry if I’ve disappointed you, maybe look on the internet yourself
Also in the Glasgow area, Classes 40, 45 & 46 were banned from Glasgow Central station due to problems with their ability to derail on the complex pointwork and curves in the station area. During the morning of August 21st 1978 40047 had become derailed blocking several platforms whilst on January 12th 1980 45126 became derailed in the station area while working the 11.50 Glasgow - Nottingham. The result of the ban saw Toton Class 47s replace the Class 45s on these diagrams.
Was the layout at Glasgow Central changed just prior to these derailments? 'Peaks' had been operating into Glasgow Central on the Nottingham's predecessor 'The Thames-Clyde Express' since the mid-sixties, presumably without incident.Looks like there were a couple of incidents:
Interesting stuff.
They wern't that common but turn up quite often. From what i remember Euston and Birminghams were 86 & 87's, Liverpool and Manchester could produce anything , although 82's and 84's were more on freights . I remember around 1976 on Saturday I went on a holiday preview special to Morcambe . I was pleased to see an 84 on the front, however we only got as far as Polmadie before it failed. Sat there for around an hour looking at the line of withdrawn 24's. Cant remember what replaced the 84Until their withdrawal, how common were Class 84s on Class One passenger turns?
I was pleased to see an 84 on the front, however we only got as far as Polmadie before it failed.
Probably not the most reliable of locomotivesTrue to form!
Used to spend a lot of time spotting at Glasgow Central in the mid 70's. Unfortunately I no longer have my logs, however from memory here is what I remember.
Class 20 sometimes used for ECS workings
Class 24 & 26 on a few Sunday diversions of Inverness services when Queen St was closed.
Class 25 & 27 ECS workings, also on Carlisle service via Dumfries
Occasional class 40 on the GSW route
Class 45 on GSW route. Later 40's and 45's banned after a derailment
Class 47 GSW route
Class 50 on WCML prior to electrification
Classes 81 - 85 usually on the Liverpool / Manchester services and some overnights
Class 86 and 87's usually Birmingham and London
DMU's
101 , 105, 107 116, occasional 122and 126 , 126's sometimes worked carlisle service.
108 Occasionally visited from Carlisle.
EMU's as expected 303 and 311
Only once saw an 08
Traveled on the push pools a few times and they were normally diverted in Queen St low Level when Queen St was closed. Most commonly using the Bathgate Line. This did make for a quick disenbarking at low level between EMU'sAs a reguar spotter at Central during the period stated I would say that this about sums it up, the only ones to add would be that push pull 27s also worked into Central on diversions when Queen Street tunnel was being worked on, I have a photo of a clas 25 on a Carlisle stopper and a 20 on a civil engineering train in the station. A class 314 certainly made it into the station on an open day on 5 August 1979 and there may have been other visits that year - and of course there was the APT!
Jim
Traveled on the push pools a few times and they were normally diverted in Queen St low Level when Queen St was closed. Most commonly using the Bathgate Line. This did make for a quick disenbarking at low level between EMU's
There was a morning commuter Ayr-Glasgow service with a Class 47 which used Mk 3 stock which then left for Euston.
Wasn’t the Ayr service merely an extension of a Glasgow Central to London Euston service?Which went over to electric haulage throughout when the Ayr line was electrified. It was advertised and timetabled as a through service from Ayr to Euston.
Wasn’t the Ayr service merely an extension of a Glasgow Central to London Euston service?
Which went over to electric haulage throughout when the Ayr line was electrified. It was advertised and timetabled as a through service from Ayr to Euston.
When was the Ayr to Euston service stopped?
Could run it today with the number of Ayrshire accents i hear on the pendo up to Glasgow at night
You say that Voyagers go to Shrewsbury and Wrexham daily, so why not a Pendo?That I'm not sure about - at a guess I would say about 1990 if not before.
Given the structure of today's railway, probably not.
Not sure if they’d be sufficient power in the OHLE to cope with a Pendolino running between Glasgow Central and AyrThat I'm not sure about - at a guess I would say about 1990 if not before.
Given the structure of today's railway, probably not.