London Northwestern Class 730s

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Makes you wonder why they ordered 36 in the first place though as 36 730/0s is overkill for the cross city
Because at the time the order was made the plan was for 6 trains per hour on Cross-City, mostly formed of 6-cars.
 
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I saw 730002 going on the Abbey Branch today, does anyone know why it was testing on there?

It seems odd when the line is due to receive 350s.

Unless it was a proving run to see if a 3 car 730 could work on there better than a 350?

However, LNWRs 5-car 730s cannot fit on any of the Abbey platforms. So, unless if LNWR have a plan to order 2x or 3x 3-car units for this route, then why else would they have a test run on there? Hmm...
It is logical to test every electric line with the 730s, and they only have a 730/0 at the moment, as you then establish that they can be passed for every line in the combined franchise. After all the 730/0s will not work to Euston or Lime Street yet they are being tested on those routes but if a 730/0 can go there then so can a 730/2. The only restriction then is platform lengths.
 

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Because at the time the order was made the plan was for 6 trains per hour on Cross-City, mostly formed of 6-cars.
But to run an entirely 6 car service on the cross city dosent take up 36 730/0s though.

You can get 18 6 car 730/0s altogether with 12 needed for the cross city surely?
 

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If there is slack in the 730/0 required in-service then could the case be made for two of them to be reliveried or WMT working with LNWR stickers applied so they could work on the Abbey Line instead of a 2-2 seated Class 350? I'm sure there is a good reason why not. They could be maintained with the rest of the WCML units or rotate back to the West Midlands like the Class 150s on the Bletchley - Bedford service.
 

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If there is slack in the 730/0 required in-service then could the case be made for two of them to be reliveried or WMT working with LNWR stickers applied so they could work on the Abbey Line instead of a 2-2 seated Class 350? I'm sure there is a good reason why not. They could be maintained with the rest of the WCML units or rotate back to the West Midlands like the Class 150s on the Bletchley - Bedford service.
The 730/0s are 2+2 - the difference is they’re 3 carriages, there’s no first class and their top speed is 90mph...
 
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If there is slack in the 730/0 required in-service then could the case be made for two of them to be reliveried or WMT working with LNWR stickers applied so they could work on the Abbey Line instead of a 2-2 seated Class 350? I'm sure there is a good reason why not. They could be maintained with the rest of the WCML units or rotate back to the West Midlands like the Class 150s on the Bletchley - Bedford service.
I'm wondering if a plan exists for this, but maybe we just don't know it yet.

I've heard that due to the 350s gangway, it can cause some visibility issues on the Abbey, so I thought the 730s are better suited in a way.

The 730/0s are 2+2 - the difference is they’re 3 carriages, there’s no first class and their top speed is 90mph...
But for the Abbey line, 90 is plenty and 90 isn't an issue for ECS on WCML either, so if they do use some units on the Abbey, it would be a good idea.
 

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It has been announced that 6tph on the Cross City Line will not happen before 2030. We have been told on the University (Birmingham) Station Rebuild thread by someone who knows about such things that Kings Norton Station cannot cope with 6tph on the Cross City Line and 2tph (diesel) on the to be reopened Camp Hill Line plus XC trains and WMR trains to Worcester/Malvern.
The 2030 date was mentioned in a WMCA meeting and then reported in the local press. It was a Network Rail date of when they think demand will reach its pre covid levels.
 

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But to run an entirely 6 car service on the cross city dosent take up 36 730/0s though.

You can get 18 6 car 730/0s altogether with 12 needed for the cross city surely?
As far as I can see the 4tph service needs 12 circuits (24 units). 6tph will need more, probably 4 or 5 circuits more depending on how well they inter-work with each other. If they are all 6-car that’s 32 units needed. Not sure if one was intended for the New Street-International shuttle (is that still a 323?) as well, but with maintenance cover that suggests 36 sets is the right number.
 

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As far as I can see the 4tph service needs 12 circuits (24 units). 6tph will need more, probably 4 or 5 circuits more depending on how well they inter-work with each other. If they are all 6-car that’s 32 units needed. Not sure if one was intended for the New Street-International shuttle (is that still a 323?) as well, but with maintenance cover that suggests 36 sets is the right number.
I did wonder how it would work with 36 units. Guess it depends how many are bromsgrove and how many are redditch services.
 

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As far as I can see the 4tph service needs 12 circuits (24 units). 6tph will need more, probably 4 or 5 circuits more depending on how well they inter-work with each other. If they are all 6-car that’s 32 units needed. Not sure if one was intended for the New Street-International shuttle (is that still a 323?) as well, but with maintenance cover that suggests 36 sets is the right number.
350 on the shuttle now I think.
 

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