London Underground stock requests

[Lewlew]

Middle cab on ‘72 Stock can be used for moving trains around depots etc but were not fitted for OPO upon refurbishment in late-80s.

They've also had their tripcocks removed since then.

They are also missing speedo, radio, DVA, door controls, seats etc.

 

[Techniquest]

I like the "Details for Nerds" link! However, to save you trawling through each train number (and then checking the change of leading car with each change of direction), I have the following:

I cannot find 3539/3439 in service during March 2022, but strangely, it is not listed as 'stopped'. Are you sure you need 3439, I have checked my stock list and there doesn't appear to be a car 3439 (or 3559) in any of the sets...? Further edit, some details about what happened to 3439 on this thread of District Dave's forum: https://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/26811/1972-stock-numbering-sequence. For the record 3399 (the former 3439) is in set 3299 leading Train 222 SB past Baker Street at 08:26...

3561 (set includes 3461), however is in service NB past Baker Street on Train 241 at 08:16.

You would need to look for the NB leading 35XX car on the previously linked website.

Hi! Thanks for that and I did go through all the train numbers to see what was happening. I did not know that about 3439/3539, I will have to remove it from my list then. I've had 3299/3399 in the past, so I'm actually on just one set to find. Now that is interesting! Thanks for teaching me something I didn't know!

Lewlew, the thing about numbering comes from my 2006 spotters book, as in that the sets were listed with the first car number 34xx, with whatever the middle cars are and 35xx. So I must have just taken it as that, and never changed my lists to reflect that 35xx is the driving car.

When I got to Paddington, I went to Pret and after my coffee break outside I'd seen the incredibly good weather and clearly decided to enjoy that instead of heading downstairs to do what would have been my final Bakerloo line set. I think if I had realised that this morning (by half 9 I had started preparations to alight, so I have not long seen notverydeep's post) then I might have made the effort to find it.

I am of course about to go and update my list, ready for Thursday evening when I am back in London. I'll not spoil the surprise here, the trip report will reveal all (as will my Strava activity tomorrow, Wednesday and Thursday) in due course. Talking of, I'd best get that typed up!

 

[Andy Orchard]

Morning everyone,
I know about the intertube website, but being old and thick, I'm struggling to find the unit numbers! If anyone can point me in the right direction or advise me if the following 2 units are in service today (March 24th), I would be most grateful:

1992 Stock
92156

1996 Stock
96051

Many thanks

 

[notverydeep]

Morning everyone,
I know about the intertube website, but being old and thick, I'm struggling to find the unit numbers! If anyone can point me in the right direction or advise me if the following 2 units are in service today (March 24th), I would be most grateful:

1992 Stock
92156

1996 Stock
96051

Many thanks

Jubilee 96051 worked in the early morning yesterday, starting with T134 from Stanmore to Stratford but appears to have gone directly into Stratford Market Depot at around 0630 yesterday and not done anything since.

Central 92156 is part of a non cab 'B-C'unit. The intertube website and TfL open data only has the 'leading car' details. There is another system that lists formations - according to this system the unit 93156 (92156 is the 'other' car) is currently formed up with cab units 91215 and 91323 plus de-icer 'B-D' unit 93452. However, I have found this system is not always accurate. At least 91215 and 91323 are working together today on Train 1, which is currently approaching Epping with 91215 leading, so it may be worth a try...

 

[Dave91131]

Hello all,

I've travelled on a couple of Central line trains today and have missed a unit from the formations.

Can anybody assist please?

Both trains were at Greenfield at approximately 1300, as detailed below:

91061-92442-92xxx-91137
91079-92158-92456-91xxx

Any help appreciated.

Many thanks.

 

[Andy Orchard]

Jubilee 96051 worked in the early morning yesterday, starting with T134 from Stanmore to Stratford but appears to have gone directly into Stratford Market Depot at around 0630 yesterday and not done anything since.

Central 92156 is part of a non cab 'B-C'unit. The intertube website and TfL open data only has the 'leading car' details. There is another system that lists formations - according to this system the unit 93156 (92156 is the 'other' car) is currently formed up with cab units 91215 and 91323 plus de-icer 'B-D' unit 93452. However, I have found this system is not always accurate. At least 91215 and 91323 are working together today on Train 1, which is currently approaching Epping with 91215 leading, so it may be worth a try...

notverydeep, thanks a million for that mate, I'm still out and about in the capital so I'll have a go in an hour or so.
Thanks again and kind regards,

Andy

 

[notverydeep]

Hello all,

I've travelled on a couple of Central line trains today and have missed a unit from the formations.

Can anybody assist please?

Both trains were at Greenfield at approximately 1300, as detailed below:

91061-92442-92xxx-91137
91079-92158-92456-91xxx

Any help appreciated.

Many thanks.

91189 was with 91079 on Train 115 through Greenford on its way to Northolt at around 1300.

My list shows 93102 as the 'B-C' unit with 91061, 93442 and 91137. As I said in my earlier reply, this comes from a system which is not always totally accurate, but does list the other three units as being together, so is hopefully right! Note that B-C and B-D units seem to referred to by their other car - the 93XXX car, rather than by the 92XXX car they are paired with on the systems that I can see, though the last three digits are the same anyway so I can infer the 92XXX car...

 

[Dave91131]

91189 was with 91079 on Train 115 through Greenford on its way to Northolt at around 1300.

My list shows 93102 as the 'B-C' unit with 91061, 93442 and 91137. As I said in my earlier reply, this comes from a system which is not always totally accurate, but does list the other three units as being together, so is hopefully right! Note that B-C and B-D units seem to referred to by their other car - the 93XXX car, rather than by the 92XXX car they are paired with on the systems that I can see, though the last three digits are the same anyway so I can infer the 92XXX car...

That's fab, many thanks for your help.

 

[Andy Orchard]

Jubilee 96051 worked in the early morning yesterday, starting with T134 from Stanmore to Stratford but appears to have gone directly into Stratford Market Depot at around 0630 yesterday and not done anything since.

Central 92156 is part of a non cab 'B-C'unit. The intertube website and TfL open data only has the 'leading car' details. There is another system that lists formations - according to this system the unit 93156 (92156 is the 'other' car) is currently formed up with cab units 91215 and 91323 plus de-icer 'B-D' unit 93452. However, I have found this system is not always accurate. At least 91215 and 91323 are working together today on Train 1, which is currently approaching Epping with 91215 leading, so it may be worth a try...

notverydeep,
Thanks very much for your help regarding 92156, it was indeed on Train 001 in the following formation: 91323-92452-92156-91215. I'll have try and get Jubilee 1996 Stock unit 96051 some other time!
Thanks again!
Kind regards,
Andy

 

[rebmcr]

Both trains were at Greenfield at approximately 1300

That's quite far north!

 

[Roylang]

Does anybody know the status of my last S7 unit 21549/21550 please? They seem to have not worked in a long time and I guess they are stopped for some reason?

Many thanks,

Roy

 

[notverydeep]

Does anybody know the status of my last S7 unit 21549/21550 please? They seem to have not worked in a long time and I guess they are stopped for some reason?

Many thanks,

Roy

Still on the stopped car list (for repair to wheelsets), having not worked since August 2021 - but expected to return to service on 31 March 2022 - given that is today, this hopefully means it will be back in service fairly soon, but these dates are best not interpreted too literally in my experience...

 

[Roylang]

Still on the stopped car list (for repair to wheelsets), having not worked since August 2021 - but expected to return to service on 31 March 2022 - given that is today, this hopefully means it will be back in service fairly soon, but these dates are best not interpreted too literally in my experience...

Many thanks - I am not back in London for 3 weeks now, so hopefully it will make an appearance in that time.

Roy

 

[JonathanH]

Can anyone say what is working with Jubilee line half set 96085 currently? I didn't get far enough to see the other half as it departed this evening. Thanks.

 

[notverydeep]

Can anyone say what is working with Jubilee line half set 96085 currently? I didn't get far enough to see the other half as it departed this evening. Thanks.

96085 and 96098 were paired yesterday and worked train 360 until the evening when they were reformed to train 323...

 

[Roylang]

An indirect request for stock....

Intertube seems to be broken for some lines now and I had been using it to do a weekly check on the return to service of my last S7 pair. Does anybody know of any alternative please?

Thanks in advance,

Roy

 

[Lewlew]

TfL have been wanting to close down the old trackernet data feeds for a very long time now. If they have then there's no alternatives available to the public.

 

[BRblue33]

I'm in London next week will try to clear some tube stock. Help wanted on a few that may be long time out of use. Jub 96017/45/78/126. Met 21047. Pic 169/248. Thank's in advance.

 

[notverydeep]

I'm in London next week will try to clear some tube stock. Help wanted on a few that may be long time out of use. Jub 96017/45/78/126. Met 21047. Pic 169/248. Thank's in advance.

Your best bet seems to be to look for 248 on the Piccadilly, which worked train 312 stabling at Northfields at the end of traffic yesterday and 169 which was working on train 356 up to lunchtime on Wednesday 4th May.

21047/48 last worked on Friday 1st April on train 471 and is now on the stopped car list (since 2nd April 2022) shown with all wheelsets requiring reprofiling - part of the Metropolitan incident referred to in this thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...olitan-line-from-monday-11-april-2022.230224/. As most of these units have had the corrective visit to the wheel lathe, hopefully this one should be back in service reasonably soon.

I can't see Jubilee stopped car list, so here are the most recent workings of the others:
96017 last worked train 353 on Wednesday 17th December 2021
96045 last worked train 133 on Wednesday 30th March 2022
96078 last worked train 356 on Friday 24th September 2021
96126 last worked train 301 on Sunday 9th August 2020
Suggesting all four are long term stopped - I have no idea when you can expect them to return to service, possibly not until the next overhaul cycle in some cases!

Hope these help...

An indirect request for stock....

Intertube seems to be broken for some lines now and I had been using it to do a weekly check on the return to service of my last S7 pair. Does anybody know of any alternative please?

Thanks in advance,

Roy

21549/550 still showing stopped for Wheelset repairs (not linked to the Metropolitan issue) now with a return date of 31st May 2022...

 

[BRblue33]

Your best bet seems to be to look for 248 on the Piccadilly, which worked train 312 stabling at Northfields at the end of traffic yesterday and 169 which was working on train 356 up to lunchtime on Wednesday 4th May.

21047/48 last worked on Friday 1st April on train 471 and is now on the stopped car list (since 2nd April 2022) shown with all wheelsets requiring reprofiling - part of the Metropolitan incident referred to in this thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...olitan-line-from-monday-11-april-2022.230224/. As most of these units have had the corrective visit to the wheel lathe, hopefully this one should be back in service reasonably soon.

I can't see Jubilee stopped car list, so here are the most recent workings of the others:
96017 last worked train 353 on Wednesday 17th December 2021
96045 last worked train 133 on Wednesday 30th March 2022
96078 last worked train 356 on Friday 24th September 2021
96126 last worked train 301 on Sunday 9th August 2020
Suggesting all four are long term stopped - I have no idea when you can expect them to return to service, possibly not until the next overhaul cycle in some cases!

Hope these help...



21549/550 still showing stopped for Wheelset repairs (not linked to the Metropolitan issue) now with a return date of 31st May 2022...

Thank's notverydeep this will saver me time look'ing.

 

[Peter E]

Hi all. Could I have an update please on Central 91263 and 91111 - last report showing both out for testing.
I am in London on Friday so any information appreciated. Thaks

 

[Dstock7080]

Hi all. Could I have an update please on Central 91263 and 91111 - last report showing both out for testing.
I am in London on Friday so any information appreciated. Thaks

still testing AC motors on runs at the east.

 

[Peter E]

still testing AC motors on runs at the east.

Thank you Dstock for your reply

 

[Roylang]

Morning all.

Does anybody have a record of what driving car was paired with 91041 (Train 51D) on 21/4 please?

Many thanks,

Roy

 

[Dstock7080]

Morning all.

Does anybody have a record of what driving car was paired with 91041 (Train 51D) on 21/4 please?

Many thanks,

Roy

W91041+91145E in AM peak.
stabled White City sidings 10.52

 

[notverydeep]

W91041+91145E in AM peak.
stabled White City sidings 10.52

The maintenance system lists the two non cab units as 93118 and 93140...

 

[Roylang]

Many thanks to you both. Appreciated.

Roy

 

[Bigchris]

Evening all,

I'm not sure if I've left it too late (unfortunately distracted by more pressing things over the last few weeks) but wondered if anybody could assist with any of the Central line stock I couldn't identify from 2 trips out last month. I managed most of the end numbers and filled in opposite ends from the Intertube site (assuming the data was correct) but if anybody could help fill in any of the blanks for the middle pairs I'd really appreciate it. Sightings were:

9 May 22:
Working #52 (with 91237 & 91007)
Working #25 (with 91029 & 91333)
Working #47D (with 91135 & 91147)
Working #14D (with 91173 & 91113)
Working #24 (with 91343 & 91067)
Working #142D (with 91293 & 91239)
Working #46 (with 91347 & 91305)
Working #12D (with 91273 & 91121)
Working #64D (with 91053 & 91235)

16 May 22:
Working #56 (with 91193 & I think 91161)
Working #114 (with 91287 & 91119)
Working #102 (with 91163 & 91015)
Working #42 (with 91149 & 91259)

Any assistance would be very much appreciated if anybody has access to data or their own recent sightings (a current formation list for Central line would me extremely useful).

Many thanks, Chris

 

[Roylang]

Not sure if this is any use to you, I looked back through my records to find my last sightings of those cars and looked at what their end-car "friend" was. I found that the same ends were paired as follows:

• 10/03/22 91147, 92130, 92462, 91135
• 01/04/22 92287, 92406, 92212, 91119

No guarantee that they all stayed together between those dates and yours, but others may be able to add confidence.

Roy

 

[notverydeep]

Evening all,

I'm not sure if I've left it too late (unfortunately distracted by more pressing things over the last few weeks) but wondered if anybody could assist with any of the Central line stock I couldn't identify from 2 trips out last month. I managed most of the end numbers and filled in opposite ends from the Intertube site (assuming the data was correct) but if anybody could help fill in any of the blanks for the middle pairs I'd really appreciate it. Sightings were:

Any assistance would be very much appreciated if anybody has access to data or their own recent sightings (a current formation list for Central line would me extremely useful).

Many thanks, Chris

I have looked up the formations - the system isn't totally reliable (and one unit in each 8 car set is recorded as different by @Roylang in his reply) - so use at your own risk, but does at least agree with the 91XXX pairings you list, other than the first. Checking against the other system suggests that one of this pair wasn't recorded correctly I'm afraid...

9 May 22:
Working #52 (with 91237 & 91007) - Both systems I have show Train 52 as being 91227 91075 (also a cab car) 93056 and 91007. 91237 is not shown with 91007 or on train 52 on this date.
Working #25 (with 91029 & 91333) - 91333 91175 (another inner cab car!) 93250 91029
Working #47D (with 91135 & 91147) - 91147 93462 93152 91135
Working #14D (with 91173 & 91113) - 91173 93194 93422 91113
Working #24 (with 91343 & 91067) - 91343 93208 93048 91067
Working #142D (with 91293 & 91239) - 91293 93128 93218 91239
Working #46 (with 91347 & 91305) - 91305 93432 93076 91347
Working #12D (with 91273 & 91121) - 91121 93430 93004 91273
Working #64D (with 91053 & 91235) - 91053 93436 93258 91235

16 May 22:
Working #56 (with 91193 & I think 91161) - 91193 93028 93058 91161
Working #114 (with 91287 & 91119) - 91287 93260 93406 91119
Working #102 (with 91163 & 91015) - 91015 93092 93228 91163
Working #42 (with 91149 & 91259) - 91149 93230 93242 91259