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I for one am very fond of 507/8 it's very old school no computers, I take it the power surge is too much for the sub station ? There's sub station upgrade works I believe in readiness for the 777, the interesting thing is, once 777 is put into regular service alongside 507/8, could the differing power demands affect the sub stations ?
 
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Liverpool 507 said:
Very true. Folk thought they were brand new when they underwent the major refurbishments in 2003 - 2005.
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My sister certainly thought they were. She was quite surprised when I said they were older than her, her response was "I thought they got new ones while I was at uni". Quite possibly the most comprehensive refurbishment on the whole network, because it replaced all of the interior panelling, removing basically all the obviously-1970s features. The SWR 455 (and ex-508 vehicle) refurb was *almost* as good, but 1970s/80s features were retained inside so they were obvioiusly not new.

I'd say a 230 looks more 30 odd years old than a Merseyrail 507/508 does.
 
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Bletchleyite said:
My sister certainly thought they were. She was quite surprised when I said they were older than her, her response was "I thought they got new ones while I was at uni". Quite possibly the most comprehensive refurbishment on the whole network, because it replaced all of the interior panelling, removing basically all the obviously-1970s features. The SWR 455 (and ex-508 vehicle) refurb was *almost* as good, but 1970s/80s features were retained inside so they were obvioiusly not new.

I'd say a 230 looks more 30 odd years old than a Merseyrail 507/508 does.
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Definitely. I’m yet to see another refurbishment that makes a 40+ local commuter unit look fairly brand new and just as good as the refurbishment of these units.
 
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I had a little tour of the network on Saturday afternoon in between various walks and below is a quick update of what was about.

In service on the Northern Line: 507001, 507002, 507004, 507005, 507008, 507011, 507013, 507014, 507015, 507020, 507024, 507027, 507031, 508103, 508108, 508112, 508115, 508124, 508125, 508127, 508128, 508138, 508141.
In service on the Wirral Line: 507003, 507012, 507025, 507026, 507032, 507033, 508111, 508114, 508117, 508122, 508126, 508130, 508131, 508137, 508139.

Stabled units
At Southport: 507007 (Southport siding no. 10) and 507018 (Birkdale siding no. 1).
At Kirkdale Depot: 507006 and 507021 were the only numbers I could see. Both are still in full public view and damaged 507006 is in the siding closest to Kirkdale station. A masked unit was in the back sidings; 508140 is my guess as it looked fairly clean.
At New Brighton: 507016 (siding no. 1), 507023 (wall siding), 507029 and 508123 (both siding no. 2).
At West Kirby: 508120 (siding no. 1).
At Hooton: 507009 (platform 1).

That leaves 507010, 507017, 507019, 507028, 507030, 508104, 508136 and 508143 (or possibly 508140) unseen. 507019 had spent a period stabled at New Brighton alongside 507016 (I saw it there last Thursday). I haven't seen 507010 in ages now. Several of those out of service are having their remaining mileage managed as they approach their next overhaul.

I hope the above is of interest to a few out there.
 
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prod_pep said:
I had a little tour of the network on Saturday afternoon in between various walks and below is a quick update of what was about.

In service on the Northern Line: 507001, 507002, 507004, 507005, 507008, 507011, 507013, 507014, 507015, 507020, 507024, 507027, 507031, 508103, 508108, 508112, 508115, 508124, 508125, 508127, 508128, 508138, 508141.
In service on the Wirral Line: 507003, 507012, 507025, 507026, 507032, 507033, 508111, 508114, 508117, 508122, 508126, 508130, 508131, 508137, 508139.

Stabled units
At Southport: 507007 (Southport siding no. 10) and 507018 (Birkdale siding no. 1).
At Kirkdale Depot: 507006 and 507021 were the only numbers I could see. Both are still in full public view and damaged 507006 is in the siding closest to Kirkdale station. A masked unit was in the back sidings; 508140 is my guess as it looked fairly clean.
At New Brighton: 507016 (siding no. 1), 507023 (wall siding), 507029 and 508123 (both siding no. 2).
At West Kirby: 508120 (siding no. 1).
At Hooton: 507009 (platform 1).

That leaves 507010, 507017, 507019, 507028, 507030, 508104, 508136 and 508143 (or possibly 508140) unseen. 507019 had spent a period stabled at New Brighton alongside 507016 (I saw it there last Thursday). I haven't seen 507010 in ages now. Several of those out of service are having their remaining mileage managed as they approach their next overhaul.

I hope the above is of interest to a few out there.
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Good to see 108 back out, presume she’s had an overhaul?
 
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How many units are normally at Birkenhead North inside the shed during the week?

prod_pep said:
I had a little tour of the network on Saturday afternoon in between various walks and below is a quick update of what was about.

In service on the Northern Line: 507001, 507002, 507004, 507005, 507008, 507011, 507013, 507014, 507015, 507020, 507024, 507027, 507031, 508103, 508108, 508112, 508115, 508124, 508125, 508127, 508128, 508138, 508141.
In service on the Wirral Line: 507003, 507012, 507025, 507026, 507032, 507033, 508111, 508114, 508117, 508122, 508126, 508130, 508131, 508137, 508139.

Stabled units
At Southport: 507007 (Southport siding no. 10) and 507018 (Birkdale siding no. 1).
At Kirkdale Depot: 507006 and 507021 were the only numbers I could see. Both are still in full public view and damaged 507006 is in the siding closest to Kirkdale station. A masked unit was in the back sidings; 508140 is my guess as it looked fairly clean.
At New Brighton: 507016 (siding no. 1), 507023 (wall siding), 507029 and 508123 (both siding no. 2).
At West Kirby: 508120 (siding no. 1).
At Hooton: 507009 (platform 1).

That leaves 507010, 507017, 507019, 507028, 507030, 508104, 508136 and 508143 (or possibly 508140) unseen. 507019 had spent a period stabled at New Brighton alongside 507016 (I saw it there last Thursday). I haven't seen 507010 in ages now. Several of those out of service are having their remaining mileage managed as they approach their next overhaul.

I hope the above is of interest to a few out there.
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Was the 508 sandwiched between the 777s? If so, it will have been 508140. :)
 
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prod_pep said:
I had a little tour of the network on Saturday afternoon in between various walks and below is a quick update of what was about.

In service on the Northern Line: 507001, 507002, 507004, 507005, 507008, 507011, 507013, 507014, 507015, 507020, 507024, 507027, 507031, 508103, 508108, 508112, 508115, 508124, 508125, 508127, 508128, 508138, 508141.
In service on the Wirral Line: 507003, 507012, 507025, 507026, 507032, 507033, 508111, 508114, 508117, 508122, 508126, 508130, 508131, 508137, 508139.

Stabled units
At Southport: 507007 (Southport siding no. 10) and 507018 (Birkdale siding no. 1).
At Kirkdale Depot: 507006 and 507021 were the only numbers I could see. Both are still in full public view and damaged 507006 is in the siding closest to Kirkdale station. A masked unit was in the back sidings; 508140 is my guess as it looked fairly clean.
At New Brighton: 507016 (siding no. 1), 507023 (wall siding), 507029 and 508123 (both siding no. 2).
At West Kirby: 508120 (siding no. 1).
At Hooton: 507009 (platform 1).

That leaves 507010, 507017, 507019, 507028, 507030, 508104, 508136 and 508143 (or possibly 508140) unseen. 507019 had spent a period stabled at New Brighton alongside 507016 (I saw it there last Thursday). I haven't seen 507010 in ages now. Several of those out of service are having their remaining mileage managed as they approach their next overhaul.

I hope the above is of interest to a few out there.
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Seen 030 the other day myself transferring lines with 031, 143 been on Chester line recently and 028 been on new Brighton recently too
 
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prod_pep said:
I had a little tour of the network on Saturday afternoon in between various walks and below is a quick update of what was about.

In service on the Northern Line: 507001, 507002, 507004, 507005, 507008, 507011, 507013, 507014, 507015, 507020, 507024, 507027, 507031, 508103, 508108, 508112, 508115, 508124, 508125, 508127, 508128, 508138, 508141.
In service on the Wirral Line: 507003, 507012, 507025, 507026, 507032, 507033, 508111, 508114, 508117, 508122, 508126, 508130, 508131, 508137, 508139.

Stabled units
At Southport: 507007 (Southport siding no. 10) and 507018 (Birkdale siding no. 1).
At Kirkdale Depot: 507006 and 507021 were the only numbers I could see. Both are still in full public view and damaged 507006 is in the siding closest to Kirkdale station. A masked unit was in the back sidings; 508140 is my guess as it looked fairly clean.
At New Brighton: 507016 (siding no. 1), 507023 (wall siding), 507029 and 508123 (both siding no. 2).
At West Kirby: 508120 (siding no. 1).
At Hooton: 507009 (platform 1).

That leaves 507010, 507017, 507019, 507028, 507030, 508104, 508136 and 508143 (or possibly 508140) unseen. 507019 had spent a period stabled at New Brighton alongside 507016 (I saw it there last Thursday). I haven't seen 507010 in ages now. Several of those out of service are having their remaining mileage managed as they approach their next overhaul.

I hope the above is of interest to a few out there.
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A nice summary of the units operating on the network.
508136 was recently overhauled (before 508108) at the start of this year. I think 508104 is next in for overhaul.
Does anyone know what is the situation with 507010, I have also not seen this operating on the network recently or seen any captures of this unit?
 
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Was out on the Wirral Line today and here’s an updated list of Units on each line

Chester
507028
508123
508131
508137
507030

Ellesmere Port
508122
508139
507033

New Brighton
507032
507025
507009

west kirkby
507012
507020
508126
507026

On BKN depot
507016
508130 and 508103+508114 however they have since transferred to the Northern Line on 5D17.

also seen at LVC

507002 was on the Southport line seen on 2S24
508111 was in Kirkdale depot most of the day but then did 5G50 to Ormskirk to join with 508124.
 
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MR-507508 said:
A nice summary of the units operating on the network.
508136 was recently overhauled (before 508108) at the start of this year. I think 508104 is next in for overhaul.
Does anyone know what is the situation with 507010, I have also not seen this operating on the network recently or seen any captures of this unit?
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Being the second unit on the train involved in the collision at Kirkby, did 507021 pass inspection to allow a return to use or is it still out of service?
 
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paddyb6 said:
508130 did the additional Hooton (2H61) then ECS to Rock Ferry
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Thanks for the info :D

also forgot to mention 507009 and 507012 went over to Kirkdale last night after completing New Brighton and west Kirkby services respectively so will probably be out on the Northern Line today.
 
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61653 HTAFC said:
I imagine that RAIB will want to go over it with a fine-toothed comb before it's released for scrapping.
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I'd think it depend. Once they've done a download of the OTDR and some preliminary investigation, they'll be able to determine if it was a train fault or not - if it wasn't a train fault (and there's no particular case to investigate with the crash performance of the train) then there'd be no reason for them to hang on to it
 
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Ribbleman said:
Being the second unit on the train involved in the collision at Kirkby, did 507021 pass inspection to allow a return to use or is it still out of service?
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I am not to sure to be honest. I have only ever seen it on Kirkdale depot since the incident. But I have not been passed Kirkdale for the past 2 weeks now.
There has been no mention elsewhere that 021 is back in service. Anyone else could confirm?
 
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MR-507508 said:
I am not to sure to be honest. I have only ever seen it on Kirkdale depot since the incident. But I have not been passed Kirkdale for the past 2 weeks now.
There has been no mention elsewhere that 021 is back in service. Anyone else could confirm?
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In 2 Road at kirkdale at the moment
 
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Noted yesterday were:
Southport - Hunts Cross services: 014 with 138, 020 with 137, 024 with 002, 008 with 115, 033 with 005, 143 with 009, 027 with 012, and 108 with 123.
Kirkby and Ormskirk services: 126, 128, 029, 131, 013, 112, and 015.
Chester line services: 111, 125, 031, 025, and 127.
Ellesmere Port services: 030, 122, and 130.
New Brighton services: 032, 011, and 003.
West Kirby services: 124, 026, 028, and 139.

Stabled:
018 and 007 at Southport.
006, 021, 117 and 004 at Kirkdale.
103 in the bay platform at Birkenhead Central.
114 and 120 at West Kirby.
016, 136, 017, and 019 at New Brighton.

Also noted were 230 006 and 230 009 on Birkenhead North TMD.

The train services were very quiet apart from small groups of teenagers and dog walkers...
 
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